Category: 1994

  • PMQT Written Answers – 15 July 1994

    Below is the text of the written answers relating to Prime Minister’s Question Time from 15th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Mr. Gordon McNally

    Mr. Campbell-Savours : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to his answer of 7 July, Official Report, column 274, (1) on what three dates he attended functions at which Mr. Gordon McNally was present; at what location he attended functions at which Mr. Gordon McNally was present; and for what purpose and in what circumstances the functions were held at which both he and Mr. Gordon McNally were present;

    (2) in what official circumstances he has been photographed in a group with Mr. Gordon McNally.

    The Prime Minister : The three large functions which I attended, at which Mr. McNally also attended, were on 29 September 1992, 13 November 1992 and 23 March 1993. Photographs are often taken at such events and may have been taken on each occasion.

     

    Data Protection

    Mr. Cohen : To ask the Prime Minister whether he has sought the views of the Data Protection Registrar in relation to the possible introduction of a national identity number; and if he will make a statement.

    The Prime Minister : We have no plans to introduce a national identity number. The question of a national identity card scheme is kept under review. If we decided to introduce such a scheme there would be a full consultation exercise.

     

    Ex-service People

    Mr. Alfred Morris : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to his answer of 11 July, Official Report, column 377, if it is his intention at present or at any time in the future to implement the resolution of the House of 1 July on welfare of ex-service people.

    The Prime Minister : We have no such plans at present.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Albert Reynolds – 15 July 1994

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Irish Prime Minister, Albert Reynolds, held on Friday 15th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    Let me just say a few words about our discussions this afternoon:

    When the Taoiseach and I first met when he first became Taoiseach in 1992, we agreed to have regular meetings and more formal biannual bilaterals. In practice, we have met very frequently during that period.

    When we met at Corfu a few weeks ago, we set in train a significant amount of work designed to complete a framework document; a lot of that work has been continuing. We took the opportunity of this unexpected summit today to meet and review that work. A substantial amount of progress has been made but there is self-evidently still some more work to do. We have commissioned some more work and we have decided that we will regroup again more formally in the early autumn – I can’t be precise as to the date at the moment – in order to carry that work forward so I would expect us to meet again in the early autumn and then again, of course, formally towards the end of the year.

    PRIME MINISTER ALBERT REYNOLDS:

    I agree with my colleague on that. We set out a lot of work the last time we met and a lot of that work has been completed; we have achieved quite considerable progress. We have set another programme of work today, we would like to make progress again and as soon as we have the work completed we will have a summit in early autumn. We didn’t need a summit next week because we had the opportunity to complete what we would have done next week this week anyway so the unexpected summit called for Brussels today afforded us the opportunity to do our work that normally we would have had to meet next week to do.

    QUESTION:

    To what extent is the Irish constitutional claim to the North a sticking point?

    PRIME MINISTER ALBERT REYNOLDS:

    We are in very sensitive, complex areas on both sides here. What we are trying to achieve is a new beginning not just a patch job, not just something to put a bit of sticking plaster on. We are trying to find a new beginning, a way to stop the violence on both sides and that is not achievable as quickly as some people might think but we have made very considerable progress and both of us are confident that we will achieve enough progress to hold a summit in the early autumn.

    QUESTION:

    Is that the stumbling block as far as you are concerned, Prime Minister?

    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    There are a number of things that are still yet undetermined. If I look at where we are now and contemplate whether two years ago I would have imagined we would have reached the present circumstances, frankly I would not. The progress has been steady, perhaps sometimes unspectacular but it has been steady and it is continuing; that is still the case.

    There are some more things to be determined. They are very sensitive issues, very complex issues, very deep-rooted problems. We are examining them one by one and as we solve them we move on to the next one. I would rather take that gently and get it right than rush it and get it wrong. There is a very great deal at stake.

    QUESTION:

    But are you both prepared to give ground, you, Prime Minister, on the Government of Ireland Act for example and you, Taoiseach, on the constitutional claim?

    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    I think we will negotiate in private about things like that.

    PRIME MINISTER ALBERT REYNOLDS:

    We said in our Downing Street Declaration of December 15 that we would approach a balanced constitutionalist agreement and that is what we are engaged in.

    QUESTION:

    Can I ask you about the summit in general that you are coming to? Can you tell us whether you believe that Jacques Santer is a much better choice than Jean-Luc Dehaene would have been?

    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    Yes I do. We will have the summit very shortly and I very much hope we will be able to reach a conclusion. I do believe that Jacques Santer would be acceptable to the heads of most governments, all governments I hope; from our point of view, he has a number of very positive virtues and I look forward to the discussion in a few moments.

    QUESTION:

    Some people say that he is not very exciting. Do you think that matters?

    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    I think what matters is how competently and efficiently the new President is going to run the commission and take into account the interests of all the member nation states across the European Union.

    I have worked with Jacques Santer on the European Council for a number of years, I know his virtues, I know his capacity to carry matters forward and carry them forward in a balanced way. I think that is what is necessary.

    QUESTION:

    Since you met at Corfu, there has been a development in relation to the repatriation of prisoners. Are there any other such initiatives planned by you and sought by you?

    PRIME MINISTER JOHN MAJOR:

    We are discussing a whole range of matters, some of them directly related to the talks we had this afternoon and other matters related to the security situation. I have said before and am happy to say again with the Taoiseach beside me that the degree of cooperation over security matters has improved beyond all measure over recent years and I think that is something that is welcome both sides of the border so there are matters like that under discussion, yes.

    QUESTION:

    Any new initiatives sought by you, Taoiseach?

    PRIME MINISTER ALBERT REYNOLDS:

    Not specific in that manner although we do continue every time we have a meeting to look at ways and means of improving the atmosphere between the two communities and creating an environment from which we hope that violence will be taken out at some stage sooner rather than later as far as both of us are concerned but the specifics of such we always keep to ourselves.

  • Mr Major’s Press Conference in Brussels – 15 July 1994

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s press conference in Brussels on Friday 15th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    We have, as you know, very little time. We are all due back at dinner where we have more discussions in just a few moments but let me say a word or two about our pre-dinner deliberations.

    It has taken us a little longer than we originally expected to make a decision on a Commission President but the most important part of that was to make sure that when the decision was made it was the right decision. I believe that that has now been achieved and I warmly congratulate Jacques Santer on his nomination. That now of course goes to the European Parliament and I hope they will speedily and unanimously endorse it.

    Let me just say a word, if I may, about the other candidates whose names have been put forward over the last few weeks but who have not been selected to be President.

    A number of people have contributed in many ways to this debate, a number of highly respected European figures have permitted their names to go forward. The whole matter has, I believe, been conducted in a dignified and a friendly spirit in these discussions and that certainly was the tone of the discussions we have had this afternoon.

    I think Jacques Santer is a wise choice for the next few years. He is well known to all of us, he has served on the European Council for ten years; he brings a wide degree of experience to the job as Prime Minister for some years, experience in finance matters, experience in foreign affairs. He has twice held the Presidency of the Council in 1985 and 1991 but on each of those occasions he made a substantial personal contribution to two of the most significant legislative acts that the Community has produced – the Single European Act in the mid-1980s and of course the Maastricht Treaty with its pillared structure in the early 1990s – and of course the importance of the pillared structure allowing matters to be decided by consensus was of very great importance in ensuring that that treaty came to be, so I think in Mr. Santer we have a President who is well able to reconcile conflicting views around the European table. I think that is very important indeed.

    There will be many difficult decisions to be taken in the future. He is committed to free trade, committed to the economics of the free market, a strong supporter of subsidiarity and a very strong supporter also of enlarging the Community and that is going to be a very important theme of the next few years. He comes from a country proud of its national identity and I have always regarded him as a healing force and not a divisive force and I think that will be very welcome with the difficult decisions that will need to be taken over the years that lie ahead. In brief, I think he is the right man in the right place at the right time and I wish him every success in the difficult and demanding job that he will be undertaking.

    When we had finished reaching agreement on the Presidency, we had a useful discussion on a number of other subjects and that discussion will continue over dinner this evening. Douglas Hurd gave the Council a detailed account of his visit with the French Foreign Minister to the former Yugoslavia. At the end of that discussion, very strong support was expressed by the Council for the plan set out by the Contact Group. We believe that it is absolutely essential to do everything to secure its acceptance and avert the threat of an intensified war in former Yugoslavia. It may be the Foreign Secretary will wish to add a word or two about that.

    The French Prime Minister also raised the question of emergency aid for Rwanda. I don’t think it is an exaggeration to describe the problems there as truly horrifying. The French are playing a leading part to bring about an improvement and they deserve our support. The United Kingdom has made a very substantial contribution to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and in other ways and we will continue to do so, so we supported the proposal from the French Prime Minister for further assistance to Rwanda and that will be discussed in further detail at the Foreign Affairs Council in the next day or so.

    That is as far as we have got with our subjects in this European Council thus far, the dinner conversation, as I say, lies ahead us but if you have any questions I will happily take them but first I will ask the Foreign Secretary perhaps to say a word or two more about Yugoslavia.

    FOREIGN SECRETARY: [Douglas Hurd]

    I don’t think I need add much. I gave the Council an account of Alain Juppe and my travels and our talks to President Tudjman, with Izetbegovic and the Sarajevo Government and with the Bosnian Serbs and President Milosevic in Belgrade.

    We rammed home the strong arguments in favour of accepting the Contact Group’s plan but I told the Council that I came away with a rather sombre impression particularly from our discussions with the Bosnian Serbs. There is a very real danger of a drift back into war with all the consequences for the Bosnian people and for everyone indeed who is making an effort there so I left them with that feeling. It does mean, as the Prime Minister said, that anyone who has any influence over the situation has got to bestir themselves between now and the end of the month to maximise and improve to the utmost the chances of this plan being accepted.

     

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, what do you think you have achieved by vetoing Mr. Dehaene in Corfu? Haven’t you wound up today with a candidate very much in Mr. Dehaene’s line of thinking?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I have never had anything personally to say against Jean-Luc Dehaene, as you know, but there are quite distinct differences in policy between those that Mr. Santer holds to and those that attract the support of Mr. Dehaene. Mr. Santer is a very strong believer in free trade not protection; he is a very strong decentraliser, he believes in federalism in the sense of decentralisation; he is a strong supporter of subsidiarity which is going to be an important theme of the next few years. He has shown by his record in a number of ways that that is the case. He was, as I indicated a moment ago, the author of the pillared approach that enabled agreement to be reached by consensus and not centrally-determined through the Commission; he was the President of the Council when it reached its final decisions on the Single European Act and crucially in that the Single Market, all of which are vitally important to us. I don’t think there is any doubt that he is a strong believer in nation states and I think there is another point perhaps that many other people have not yet spotted and that is the fact that for his own reasons he has been a longstanding opponent of harmonisation of taxes. All those are very distinct policy points of some importance to us.

    The other point I would make is in the nature of the man himself. He is, I think, a reconciler and a healer. We are soon going to have sixteen nation states sitting round the table, not twelve, and very possibly within five years will be moving towards twenty. It is very important that the views of all of those nation states are fully taken into account and reconciled; I believe he will be very good at doing that. It is quite a formidable list of reasons for supporting him and I am very pleased at the outcome we reached this afternoon.

    QUESTION:

    I wondered whether in view of what you just said, Prime Minister, you are therefore surprised to hear that Mr. Santer just now has denied that there are any political differences between himself and Mr. Dehaene. I quote: “I certainly do not believe the time has come to pause in the process of further European integration and in a deeper political union” and he repeated himself as federalist in that sense. Does that entirely square with what you have just been saying?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Would you have expected him to say: “Well I have got a long list of differences with my old friend Jean-Luc!”? You know very well in terms of the European debate that he isn’t going to say that.

    I have set out a whole series of practical indications of his record of what he stands for. You will have seen, I am sure, the interview he gave in the Luxembourg press just a couple of days ago and he set out very clearly his views in terms of decentralisation; he made it perfectly clear there that he was a federalist in the sense of being a decentraliser, not a centraliser and I think if you read his interview you can take it from his own words, not mine, that he matches the list of attributes that I have just suggested to those present he has.

    QUESTION:

    Does that mean that you too now, Prime Minister, are a federaliser in the sense of a decentraliser?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I am a decentraliser, that is certainly the case. I don’t think I would attribute any other words of yours to that. I am certainly a decentraliser, I certainly believe that the nation state is an important part of the European Union, so do other nations, and it will remain so.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, if the views of Mr. Dehaene and Mr. Santer are so different and if one must look through his policy record to prove that, why do you think it was that Mr. Santer backed Mr. Dehaene so enthusiastically in the first round debate on the President’s job?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Were you present at the Christian Democrat meeting beforehand?

    ANSWER:

    No.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Nor was I. I suggest you ask someone who was present at the private meeting for the answer to that question.

    MURRAY RICHIE (GLASGOW HERALD):

    If you are such a convinced decentraliser as you say and you agree with subsidiarity, why don’t you practise it in Scotland?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Scotland is part of a single United Kingdom, I am not going to join in the sort of decentralisation the Scottish Nationalists want in Scotland which has as its ultimate aim not decentralisation but the eventual removal of Scotland from the United Kingdom.

    As far as devolvement of authority is concerned, you will know, working for the “Glasgow Herald”, of the immense devolvement of authority that has now gone to Scotland and to the Scottish Secretary of State and the changes that are currently being agreed to extend that even further in the United Kingdom.

    JUDITH DAWSON (SKY TV):

    You said that Leon Brittan is the right man for the job and you did repeat that quite a number of times before and during the Corfu summit so would you agree that Jacques Santer is a compromise, has to be a compromise for you and for the other European leaders and has what happened to Mr. Tim Devlin caused you very much grief?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I made perfectly clear that our first choice for President of the Commission was Leon Brittan and I don’t resile from that now. I think Leon Brittan in every way would have made an excellent President of the Commission for the next few years. None of that detracts from the fact that I think Jacques Santer is an excellent candidate who has attracted support right the way across the Heads of Government and I hope will attract the support of the European Parliament in the next few days so I think he will do an excellent job.

    As far as Mr. Devlin is concerned, the Chief Whip has dealt with that matter and I believe he has dealt with it properly.

    FOREIGN SECRETARY:

    And, of course, there is one other point to add perhaps: that Jacques Santer was chosen as the result of a period of very intensive consultation of everybody by the Presidency and that was not so before Corfu.

    JUDITH DAWSON:

    Do you think that should have happened the first time round?

    FOREIGN SECRETARY:

    Of course.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We not only think that now, we said that at the time loudly and clearly.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, now you have secured a candidate for the Commission who is clearly extremely satisfactory to Britain, do you consider that after the Corfu veto and in the talks that followed, you have put one over on Chancellor Kohl and President Mitterrand?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    No, it isn’t a question of putting one over on any other members of the European Council, that is not remotely the way I see it. I thought it was right to take whatever action was necessary to get a President of the Commission whom I believe was right for Europe in the next few years and right for the United Kingdom in the next few years. That was the purpose of exercising the veto at Corfu and the only purpose.

    DON McINTYRE:

    Can I ask you whether, as David Howell said on the radio this morning, the really desirable thing about Jacques Santer from your point is that he will be very low-profile and that is really why you want him?

    May I ask the Foreign Secretary what on Bosnia he has in mind when he says that anybody who has any influence on the Serbs should use it in the desperately short time there is as they seem to be immune to all influence including that of the Russians?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think possibly Jacques Santer will be lower-profile than his predecessor. I don’t think it is the height of the profile that is really the relevant factor but the direction in which the profile is moving and as I indicated to everyone a few moments ago, I think the direction in which he will take the Community will be very amenable to the majority of member states including us.

    FOREIGN SECRETARY:

    On the Bosnian point, you never can tell in life when a particular argument or piece of persuasion or pressure is just going to tip the balance in favour of what you want done so there are all kinds of pressures, the Russians you mentioned. I was actually thinking of President Milosovic. I believe there are ways in which he could exert himself should he so choose which would really be effective in bringing the Bosnian Serbs to their senses. Whether he will do that or not I don’t know. It is in his interests to do, we urged him to do so, I hope he will do so.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, we have heard your comparison of Mr. Santer with Mr. Dehaene. How does he compare in your view to Jacques Delors? Is he better suited in your view to being the next President of the Commission than Delors was, more to your taste?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think I got the underlying message! I think he will be very suitable for the next few years but I don’t think anyone should underestimate the contribution that Jacques Delors has made to the European Union over the last few years. He and I haven’t always agreed, there is no particular secret about that, but my respect for his abilities is very great.

    QUESTION (WALL STREET JOURNAL):

    Diplomats of some member states in Brussels have expressed fears that Jacques Santer is perhaps someone from a small country that doesn’t have the clout that M. Delors or M. Dehaene perhaps have and will find it hard to lay down the law in certain areas that are quite important to the UK I believe such as the internal market, insurance, where there isn’t much progress in enforcing laws. Are you worried that a weak Commission in this sense would undermine the UK’s interests?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    No. I don’t accept the premise, if I may say so, at the outset. I think there has been some black propaganda of that sort about from Heaven knows where. I think from what I have seen of Jacques Santer is that he will press his case and his beliefs quite hard where that is necessary, certainly that is my judgement of the man.

    As far as the laws are concerned in the Community, the laws are there to be obeyed in the Community and I have no doubt the Commission collectively will ensure that they are. That was something we pressed for very strongly in the Maastricht Treaty. It was a matter of concern to us prior to Maastricht that we did have a number of laws across the Community and we were not satisfied that every member state was fully implementing them. There are now mechanisms to make sure that they do and I am sure they will be enforced.

    SHIRLEY DODD:

    Prime Minister, do you think you will be able to live easily with the fact that M. Santer is a strong supporter of the Social Dimension of the Union and of a single currency?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think there are two things that often get run together: one is the Social Dimension of the Community and the other is the specific Social Chapter.

    As far as the Social Dimension of the Community is concerned, we have no difficulty with that. Indeed, if you were to ask the Commission which country has implemented more Social Dimension measures than any other, you would find it was the United Kingdom.

    As far as the Social Chapter is concerned, it is not a matter of relevance to us whether any President of the Commission supports it or not because we are not a party to the Social protocol, it doesn’t affect us, so whether they support it or not is not relevant to the United Kingdom but on the Social Dimension which is a separate matter, we support the Social Dimension, we have implemented the Social Dimension and I would anticipate will continue to do so.

  • PMQT Written Answers – 14 July 1994

    Below is the text of the written answers relating to Prime Minister’s Question Time from 14th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Engagements

    Mr. Harry Greenway : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    Sir Peter Tapsell : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister : This morning I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet and had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall be having further meetings later today.

     

    Intelligence Service

    Sir John Hunt : To ask the Prime Minister if he will indicate the extent to which following the passing of the Intelligence Services Act, the Government are prepared to make available to the House information on the activities of the security and intelligence agencies.

    The Prime Minister : This Government have taken a series of significant steps in its policy of greater accountability and openness, wherever possible, in security and intelligence matters. All three security and intelligence agencies are avowed and have now been put on a statutory basis. The figure for the aggregate expenditure of the agencies is published annually. In addition, the expenditure, administration and policy of all three agencies will be subject to scrutiny by a committee of Parliamentarians–the Intelligence and Security Committee.

    It is important to draw a line between proper accountability for the agencies and the continued need for secrecy regarding operational matters. Successive Governments have refused to provide information on the operations of the security and intelligence agencies, including matters which will fall within the scrutiny of the Intelligence and Security Committee. Comment on these matters, either by what is or is not said, could have a bearing on the effectiveness of the agencies, and the safety of their staff and those who co-operate with them. I made clear to the House on 6 May 1992– Official Report, column 65, that the Government will maintain this policy.

     

    Ex-service People (Welfare)

    Mr. Alfred Morris : To ask the Prime Minister if he will be meeting representatives of the Royal British Legion to discuss the approval by the House on 1 July of the resolution on the welfare of ex-service people; and what representations he has had from the Legion in regard to a meeting.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 13 July 1994] : We welcome continuing close contact with the Royal British Legion and other service organisations. A request for a meeting has been received from the Royal British Legion and is being considered at present.

  • PMQT – 14 July 1994

    Below is the text of Prime Minister’s Question Time from 14th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Engagements

    Q1. Mr. Mackinlay : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister (Mr. John Major) : This morning, I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet and had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall be having further meetings later today.

    Mr. Mackinlay : What instructions has the Prime Minister issued this week in connection with combating the appalling level of air pollution throughout the Thames valley and in every other urban area of the United Kingdom? Can we be assured that it is Government policy that the polluters will pay and be prosecuted, rather than merely be given a ticking off and a prohibition notice? Now is the time for action to combat air pollution.

    The Prime Minister : Of course, it was a Conservative Government who established the first ever environment Department as long ago as 1970, and we take environmental matters very seriously. On air pollution, we have already agreed tight emission standards for new cars and lorries and we intend that they be rigidly enforced. We have taken the lead over the rest of Europe by introducing integrated pollution policies and we are determined to ensure that those are kept. We made it clear earlier this year in discussion documents that making the air cleaner is an important part of our policy and, where necessary, we will take action.

    Mr. Marlow : Is a single European currency a commercial convenience, or does it mean single European interest rates, a single European economy, harmonised and high levels of European taxation and, effectively, a single European state? And, if it is the latter, could my right hon. Friend tell the House that he is most unlikely ever to put it before the British people? It would give a great deal of simple pleasure to a lot of simple people if he could say so.

    The Prime Minister : I am always prepared to give some simple pleasure to my hon. Friend. As I have told the House on many occasions, a single currency would not be a practicable proposal, unless one had a proper and equally performing series of economies right across the area that would be governed by that currency. Without that, there would be the very practical difficulty that one would get large-scale structural unemployment and a massive demand for funds transferred from one part of the European Union to another. It is for that very practical reason that I do not believe that we are within many years of being able to consider a single currency.

    Mrs. Beckett : Is the Prime Minister yet able to tell us whether, in the context of the presidency of the European Commission, there are any candidates who do not support the social chapter?

    The Prime Minister : I can tell the right hon. Lady that, since we are not partners to the protocol, it does not matter from our point of view whether they are in favour or not.

    Mrs. Beckett : But the meeting is tomorrow. Is the Prime Minister telling us that, having used the veto–so he said–to permit extensive consultations, he does not know whether any of the candidates are against the social chapter?

    The Prime Minister : I sometimes think that the right hon. Lady prepares her second and third questions before listening to the first answer. The second question bore no relationship to the answer which I just gave her, which I shall repeat. Since we are not partners to the protocol that governs that aspect of European policy, it does not matter to this country whether the new president does or does not support that.

    Mrs. Beckett : The Prime Minister, as he will be well aware, has twice run away from answering the question. Is he reluctant to answer it because he knows that, in a triumph of personal diplomacy, he vetoed the appointment of one Conservative Prime Minister from a Benelux country who supports the social chapter, and will now support the candidacy of a Conservative Prime Minister from a Benelux country who supports the social chapter?

    The Prime Minister : Oh dear, oh dear. I fear that the right hon. Lady has shown the House too clearly that she does not have a scintilla of understanding of the European policies of each of the candidates whose name has been put forward for the presidency of the European Commission. There is a substantial difference between those policies that I vetoed last week and those that are followed by any of the candidates who remain in the ring at the moment.

    The decision will be made on Friday and the right hon. Lady might then understand the distinction between the policies of a European Commission president whom I would not accept and those of a European Commission president whom I can accept.

    Mr. Batiste : Is my right hon. Friend aware that the impending statement from the Secretary of State for Defence will be keenly awaited by many people who work in the defence contracting industry in Leeds and in many other parts of the country? Can he confirm that “Front Line First” means enhancing the capabilities of our front-line troops by giving them the best available equipment to do the many jobs with which they are faced?

    The Prime Minister : My right hon. and learned Friend will be making a detailed statement about the matter in a few minutes and, if my hon. Friend will forgive me, I will not anticipate that statement in detail. “Front Line First” was established to ensure precisely that we direct the resources available to the front line to maximise the fighting capacity and the cutting edge of the British armed forces.

     

    Q2. Mr. Hain : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Hain rose

    Mr. Richards : Liar. [Interruption.]

    Madam Speaker : Order. [Interruption.] Just a moment. Let me establish who made the remark.

    Hon. Members : Stand up.

    Madam Speaker : Order. I understand that it was Mr. Rod Richards. Is that the case?

    Mr. Richards indicated assent .

    Madam Speaker : In that case, I require the hon. Gentleman to stand up and immediately apologise.

    Mr. Richards : I withdraw my remark, Madam Speaker.

    Madam Speaker : The hon. Gentleman must apologise to me as the Speaker of the House for those words.

    Mr. Richards : Madam Speaker, I apologise to you.

    Mr. Faulds : On a point of order, Madam Speaker.

    Madam Speaker : Order. I call Mr. Hain.

    Mr. Hain : Will the Prime Minister establish an inquiry– [Interruption.]

    Madam Speaker : Order. The House must now come to order. The matter is over and done with.

    Mr. Hain : Will the Prime Minister establish an inquiry into the way a member of his Cabinet, Lord Wakeham, and other leading Conservatives were in 1988 taken off selected Lloyd’s syndicates which later suffered three years of catastrophic losses? Were they the beneficiaries of insider information while millions of pounds of losses were dumped on ordinary Lloyd’s investors?

    The Prime Minister : If the hon. Gentleman has any information whatever to suggest impropriety, he should bring that information forward. Given the inferences that clearly underlie his question, under the privilege of Parliament most people would not regard it as the right way to raise that matter.

    Mr. Mans : Has any member of my right hon. Friend’s Cabinet in the past advocated the abolition of nuclear weapons while at the same time suggesting that they should be retained, or suggested that we should withdraw completely from the European Community while advocating a federal Europe with Britain inside it? Have not all three contenders for the Labour leadership done all of those?

    The Prime Minister : The answer to that question is clearly, no. Had they done so, they would certainly not be members of my Cabinet.

     

    Q3. Mr. Simon Hughes : To ask the Prime Minister what official engagements he has already fixed in the London borough of Southwark for the rest of the current year.

    The Prime Minister : I have no engagement planned at this stage.

    Mr. Hughes : In that case, will the Prime Minister accept a short engagement to cross the river and explain to the people of Southwark, a borough with one of the highest levels of deprivation and unemployment in Britain, whether it is the Government’s policy to narrow the gap between the richest and the poorest in Britain and increase public services before thinking of cutting taxes? If so, when?

    The Prime Minister : If the hon. Gentleman looks at the available public assistance given to people in hardship, both to those in work on very low incomes and those out of work, he will see that there has been a significant improvement in recent years in the resources available to deal with those problems. He will know of the significant resources put particularly into inner-city areas of deprivation like Southwark over a large number of years. What does need to be done, and it requires the assistance of local authorities and others if we are to get to the root of the problem, is to ensure that those boroughs are also prepared to co-operate with bringing private capital into the area so that a joint approach of public and private capital can maximise the improvement for people who live in poor circumstances.

     

    Q4. Mr. Wareing : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Member to the reply that I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Wareing : Since the Tory Government came to power in 1979, this country has lost a considerable proportion of its manufacturing base, yet, alone among European Union Governments, this Government have benefited to the tune of £124 billion worth of North sea oil revenue. We can guess what the Germans and French would have done with that. What did the Tory Government do with it?

    The Prime Minister : The hon. Gentleman would, perhaps, be prepared to acknowledge in private that employment in manufacturing industry has been on a downward trend since the 1960s, whomsoever have been in Government. It has now stabilised. The manufacturing base at the moment is broadening, not narrowing. We now have the best economic circumstances, not just for exports but for growth and manufacturing, that we have had for the past 20 or 25 years. That is readily understood by everyone beyond the confines of the Labour party.

     

    Q5. Mr. Ian Bruce : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the reply that I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Bruce : It is common ground in the House that the civil service is full of people of ability, honesty and integrity. Yet we would all agree –indeed, civil servants would agree–that the high cost of government and grandiose waste in building projects, for instance, are not what we are looking for. Does my right hon. Friend agree that the White Paper published yesterday, “Continuity and Change”, shows that we also need improvement and cost reductions?

    The Prime Minister : I agree with my hon. Friend. We can take pride in the performance of the British civil service over many years. That is evident not only in this country but by the fact that a number of other countries have copied the British civil service system. It has high standards of integrity, and we are determined to maintain that integrity and impartiality while improving the service delivered through the civil service to the people of this country, who pay for it, and to us.

    Mrs. Mahon : The Prime Minister will be aware that at the moment, no national health service patients can be placed in private health care systems or homes against their wishes if they or their relatives will incur a personal charge for that move. Will the Prime Minister give the House a guarantee that people will retain the right to free NHS care?

    The Prime Minister : I can certainly give the hon. Lady that guarantee : the right to national health service care free at the point of delivery is an integral part of the Government’s policy, and will remain so.

     

    Q6. Mr. Oppenheim : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 14 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Oppenheim : Has my right hon. Friend had a chance to study the recent report by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, which shows that during the 1980s, Britain’s manufacturing productivity growth out-performed that of Germany, whereas the period when we were most out-performed by Germany was between 1974 and 1979? Does not that illustrate that the time when this country was in danger of slipping into a second rate, low productivity, low wage, skivvy economy, with Mickey Mouse jobs, was not under the present Government, but rather in the heroic days of Labour’s industrial strategy?

    The Prime Minister : My hon. Friend has unearthed some interesting facts, which Opposition Members would do well to study. He is entirely right. The key to lasting prosperity and lasting jobs is to get the underlying economic conditions right, and then to keep them right. That is what we have done, and is what we propose to continue to do.

  • PMQT Written Answers – 12 July 1994

    Below is the text of the written answers relating to Prime Minister’s Question Time from 12th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Mr. Gordon McNally

    Mr. Campbell-Savours : To ask the Prime Minister on what occasion prior to November 1991 he was present at functions where Mr. Gordon McNally was present.

    The Prime Minister : None, so far as I am aware.

     

    Coastguard Service

    Ms Walley : To ask the Prime Minister what discussions he has held about the Department of Transport’s proposed efficiency savings for the Coastguard Service; and if he will make a statement.

    The Prime Minister : I have had no such discussions. However, as I stated on 7 July 1994, Official Report, column 446, in response to the hon. Member for Roxburgh and Berwickshire (Mr. Kirkwood), my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Transport has discussed with the chief executive of the Coastguard Agency the proposals he put forward in response to my right hon. Friend’s target, that the Department as a whole should achieve a 20 per cent. efficiency gain. My right hon. Friend has not yet taken any decisions on these proposals.

     

    Engagements

    Sir Peter Tapsell : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    Mr. Harry Greenway : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall be having further meetings later today.

     

    Privatisation

    Mr. Campbell-Savours : To ask the Prime Minister which organisations, agencies and other bodies relating to his departmental area of responsibility have been privatised since 1990; and what plans he has for further privatisation.

    The Prime Minister : None of the organisations, agencies or other bodies under my departmental responsibility have been privatised since 1990. Plans for privatisation involving my departments will be considered on their merits as part of a prior options exercise and the results will be announced as appropriate.

     

    Ukraine

    Mr. Dalyell : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to the answer of the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of 20 June, Official Report, column 11, if he will make a statement on discussions at the G7 summit in relation to nuclear technical assistance to the Government of the Ukraine.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Member to my statement on the Group of Seven summit in Naples on 11 July 1994, Official Report, columns 667-69.

     

    Former Members of Parliament

    Mr. Winnick : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list the former hon. Members who were defeated in the last two general elections who have since become members of quangos and other organisations to which the Government nominates ; and if he will state the organisation to which the former hon. Members were nominated, the duties undertaken and the salary.

    The Prime Minister : This information is not held centrally.

     

    Ministerial Visits

    Mrs. Roche : To ask the Prime Minister how many overseas visits have been made in 1994 by Ministers; during how many of them Ministers participated in fund-raising activities for the Conservative party; who were those Ministers; and in which countries those activities took place.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 4 July 1994] : As far as I am aware, Ministers made 287 overseas visits in their official capacity between 1 January and 30 June 1994. None of those was undertaken for purposes of fundraising for the Conservative party. No central record is kept of any occasions on which Ministers may have attended fundraising events which were incidental to their visit.

  • PMQT – 12 July 1994

    Below is the text of Prime Minister’s Question Time from 12th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Engagements

    Q1. Mr. MacShane : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister (Mr. John Major) : This morning, I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall be having further meetings later today.

    Mr. MacShane : Can the Prime Minister name one candidate for the presidency of the European Union who does not support the social charter aspects of the European Union?

    The Prime Minister : Well, I do not know–no one yet knows–who all the candidates will be.

     

    Q2. Mr. Burns : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Burns : Does my right hon. Friend agree that a key plank of Government policy is to widen choice and opportunity as much as possible to all? Does my right hon. Friend think that widening choice and opportunity would be enhanced by extending VAT to private health care and education and is he surprised that that suggestion is being mooted by the hon. Member for Sedgefield (Mr. Blair)?

    Hon. Members : Where is he?

    Madam Speaker : Order.

    The Prime Minister : The whole purpose of the Government’s education policy is to extend choice and opportunity as widely as possible. I cannot speak for the policies of the hon. Member for Sedgefield (Mr. Blair)–and nor, it would appear, can he this afternoon. It is certainly the case that the Labour party is opposed to the assisted places scheme, city technology colleges, A-levels–and, I had thought until a few moments ago, grant- maintained schools, which I understand a number of prominent members of the Labour party now seem to favour for their own families.

    Mrs. Beckett : Does the Prime Minister accept what every national newspaper is saying this morning about the effects on ordinary British families of water privatisation–that it is a swindle, licensed theft and legalised robbery?

    The Prime Minister : Would the right hon. Lady renationalise?

    Mrs. Beckett : I think that the Prime Minister has forgotten why we are here. These are questions asked of the Prime Minister, not by the Prime Minister.

    Does not the Prime Minister realise that what makes British people even more angry is that the only thing that is rising faster than their water bills is the pay of water bosses? How can he defend the fact that that chairman of North West Water received £47,000 a year before privatisation and now receives £338,000 for doing exactly the same job? Is not that a disgrace at a time when water bills are rocketing?

    The Prime Minister : I suppose that the assumption must be that the right hon. Lady does not know whether she would renationalise or not. On the substantive part of her question, as she knows, Parliament has provided for an independent regulator whose responsibility it is and who is statutorily required to protect customers’ interests while ensuring that they can finance their obligations. She may care already to acknowledge the change in the quality of bathing water and other European Community standards that have been brought about since privatisation and that were not apparent under any Government prior to privatisation.

    Mrs. Beckett : I notice that the Prime Minister did not take the opportunity to condemn that pay rise. I hope that he realises that it is those double standards that are bringing his Government into disrepute. Is not it now the case that when people turn on the tap, when they turn on the light–in fact, every time they turn around–under this rip-off Government they are hit with higher taxes and higher charges, and that people are paying more to get less?

    The Prime Minister : Perhaps the right hon. Lady could explain why British Telecom’s prices are down 30 per cent. since privatisation, why the prices of telephones are down 60 per cent., and why the price of gas is down 21 per cent. It is absolutely clear that the right hon. Lady will protect anything that is in public ownership and attack anything that is in private ownership.

    On the pay of water company directors, I have made it clear in the past that they should follow the lead that the Government have set for pay in the public sector and elsewhere, and I hope that the right hon. Lady will make it clear whether she would renationalise those privatised industries and see the prices go back up again, as they used to under nationalisation.

    Mr. David Shaw : Does my right hon. Friend recall that, in 1989, 11 bandsmen died in the IRA bombing at the Royal Marines establishment in Deal ? Will he recall also that that established a very strong relationship with the people of the town of Deal, who appealed for the music school to be kept in Deal? It was such that 12,500 people signed a petition, which I handed in to the House last Thursday. Will my right hon. Friend take note, therefore, of the strength of feeling that exists between the townspeople of Deal, the Royal Marines school of music and those people who work in it, and will he also recognise that unemployment in Deal is higher than unemployment in the area surrounding Rosyth?

    The Prime Minister : I recall, as I am sure many hon. Members will recall, that dreadful deed of many years ago, but I cannot anticipate the substance of statements not yet made.

    Mr. Ashdown : Will the Prime Minister reassure us that he has no intention of doing a U-turn on his policy to favour the lifting of the arms embargo if the peace talks in Bosnia fail? Is not that the single act best calculated to ensure that the position of United Nations troops in Bosnia becomes untenable? Surely, that cannot be what the Government wish to see. Is not it illogical to say to the warring partners in Bosnia, “If you will not make peace, then we will help you to make a bigger and more bloody war?”

    The Prime Minister : The right hon. Gentleman sets out a policy that is not ours. He knows the strong opposition that we have consistently had to the unilateral raising of the arms embargo. That remains.

     

    Competitiveness

    Q3. Mr. Bates : To ask the Prime Minister what initiatives he is taking to improve the competitiveness of British business.

    The Prime Minister : The Government are determined to build on the world-class industries that the United Kingdom already has. The White Paper “Competitiveness : Helping Business to Win” sets out the most comprehensive agenda ever right across Government to improve the competitiveness of British business.

    Mr. Bates : I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that answer, but does he accept that perhaps the greatest contribution to the increased competitiveness of our economy has come from the privatisation of loss- making nationalised industries such as British Steel? Does he accept that today British Steel is the world’s most efficient producer of steel, and will he ensure that that hard-earned and strong reputation in the world will not be blunted by state-subsidised, inefficient European competitors?

    The Prime Minister : We will certainly continue to do all that we can to bring pressure to bear on our European partners to ensure that British industry is not damaged by unfair competition.

    Since British Steel moved from the public to the private sector, it has transformed itself into an efficient, integrated, profitable producer. Exports have doubled in recent years, and British Steel is now one of Britain’s largest exporters.

    Mr. Clelland : Does the Prime Minister recognise that the biggest danger to manufacturing industry in the northern region is the loss of previously privatised industries such as Swan Hunter? What will he do to protect that industry?

    The Prime Minister : As the hon. Gentleman would have noted from the White Paper on competitiveness, the only way in which to protect any industry in this country–or, indeed, any other–is to ensure that it can compete, and is producing something that people wish to buy at the time when they wish to buy it and at a price that they can afford. That is the Government’s policy ; I wish that it had the whole-hearted support of the Opposition.

     

    Engagements

    Q4. Mr. David Atkinson : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Atkinson : Will my right hon. Friend accept the grateful thanks of my constituents and those of my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, West (Mr. Butterfill) for last week’s recommendation by the Local Government Commission that the borough of Bournemouth should return to unitary status after 20 years of county council control? Is not that a clear demonstration of Conservative commitment to strong local government, in complete contrast to the unwanted policies of remote regional government favoured by Labour and the Liberal Democrats?

    The Prime Minister : I am sure that my hon. Friend will make his views known to the commissioners. We certainly wish to put decision making at the lowest possible level, so that it is close to the people who vote and pay local taxes ; unlike other parties in the House, we do not want an extra layer of expensive regional government.

     

    Q5. Mr. Barry Jones : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Jones : Is the Prime Minister aware that 2,000 Airbus workers in my constituency are desperate for his Government to place orders for the future large aircraft? Bearing in mind the magnificent achievement of the Airbus project, can he tell us when British Airways might buy aircraft of the Airbus marque? Does he agree that aerospace is now the greatest industry in Britain, and that it requires more support and encouragement from his Government?

    The Prime Minister : I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving me an indication of the question that he was going to ask on this specific subject.

    As for the future large aircraft, my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Defence has received details from British Aerospace, which he is now taking into account in assessing the options for replacement or refurbishment of the present Hercules flight.

    I wholly appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s concern to protect jobs in his constituency. Commercial decisions must be a matter for British Airways rather than for my right hon. and learned Friend, but the hon. Gentleman will know that Airbus has competed very successfully. It has attracted customers from airlines around the world, most recently winning a very significant order from Singapore Airlines. I have no doubt that the quality of the product means that that success will continue.

     

    Q6. Mr. Evennett : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Evennett : I thank my right hon. Friend. During his busy schedule, will he find time to visit my constituency of Erith and Crayford and see at first hand the improving economic situation and, in particular, the improving job situation in Bexley? Furthermore, will he reaffirm his commitment to lower taxation when the time is right–[ Laughter.] Opposition Members laugh because they do not like the truth. Will my right hon. Friend reaffirm his commitment to the fact that Conservative Members believe in lower taxation? Opposition Members want to spend more and tax more.

    The Prime Minister : My hon. Friend is entirely right about the improving economic circumstances, and about the need to bring unemployment down further. I am delighted that it is falling, although it clearly has a long way further to fall.

    As for taxation, of course Labour Members dislike the prospect of lower taxation : they would like to get their hands on people’s money and spend it. As the former hon. Member for Dagenham said before defecting back to New Zealand,

    “I think the Labour party ought to accept that . . . we” that is, the Labour party

    “will always be likely to have a higher tax burden than our opponents.”

    That is undoubtedly true, and there is no instance in recent years of Labour Members’ voting for a tax reduction.

     

    Q7. Mr. Barnes : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Tuesday 12 July.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Barnes : We have seen the plunder of the water industry and the electricity industry by chief executives and others, who often came from public services. The chairman of the Post Office is now pressing for the privatisation and plunder of his own service. What has happened to standards in public life and to the notion of public service?

    The Prime Minister : The Post Office management has said that it believes that the best way to protect jobs, to continue to improve services and to compete is for the Post Office to have the freedoms of the private sector. I understand that the hon. Gentleman is concerned only with the qualities of envy which activate the Labour party, but the fact is that the private sector provides a better service than the public sector; it is more efficient than the public sector ; and, over years, it is less costly than the public sector.

  • PMQT Written Answers – 11 July 1994

    Below is the text of the written answers relating to Prime Minister’s Question Time from 11th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    European Commission

    Mr. Winnick : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to his answer of 30 June to the hon. Member for Great Grimsby (Mr. Mitchell) Official Report, columns 660-61, regarding the presidency of the European Commission, if he will now set out the criteria he will apply to candidates for the appointment.

    The Prime Minister : I shall consider candidates on their merits. I will need to be satisfied that the next President will run an efficient and accountable Commission, and act in the interests of the European Union as a whole.

     

    Meetings with Members

    Mr. McCartney : To ask the Prime Minister how many hon. Members and right hon. Members he has met at official meetings on constituency matters at No. 10 Downing Street in 1993-94; what were their political parties; and in which regions were their constituencies.

    The Prime Minister : I regularly have meetings with right hon. and hon. Members, at both No. 10 and the House of Commons, to deal with specific and general matters which relate to their constituencies and interests.

     

    Lowe Bell Communications

    Mr. Gordon Prentice : To ask the Prime Minister, pursuant to his reply of 26 April to the hon. Member for Pendle (Mr. Prentice), Official Report, column 47, how much Sir Tim Bell has claimed in expenses in connection with the D-day public relations contract awarded to Lowe Bell Communications.

    The Prime Minister : To date, Lowe Bell has claimed a total of £11,346, net of VAT, for administrative costs and expenses. This is within the agreed upper limit of £12,500, net of VAT.

     

    Government Information

    Mr. Austin Mitchell : To ask the Prime Minister what is the policy of the Government on the supply of information to the media on economic performance and distribution of earnings, where the information can be obtained directly or indirectly from the Central Office of Information data bank.

    The Prime Minister : This is a matter for individual Government Departments.

     

    Parliamentary Questions

    Mr. Austin Mitchell : To ask the Prime Minister whether he will make it his policy that all Departments should provide substantive replies to hon. Members’ questions rather than referring them to the Library.

    The Prime Minister : No.

     

    Child Care

    Mr. Barnes : To ask the Prime Minister what provision his Department makes for child care facilities for staff; what is the extent of subsidy to nursery places and holiday play schemes; if his Department (a) subscribes to Childcare Solutions and (b) makes child care vouchers available; and if he will make a statement.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 7 July 1994] : For these purposes my office is part of the Cabinet Office. I therefore refer the hon. Member to the answer given by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster on 7 July 1994, Official Report, columns 323-24.

     

    Ecological Sustainability

    Mr. Dafis : To ask the Prime Minister what steps he is taking to ensure that there is a full discussion of ecological sustainability at the Group of Seven summit in July.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 8 July 1994] : At my initiative the members of the Group of Seven industrialised countries have already adopted an action plan to give practical effect to the agreements reached at Rio. At the Naples Group of Seven summit the United Kingdom will continue to stress the importance of the environment as a priority for international co-operation.

     

    Contracts

    Mr. Byers : To ask the Prime Minister on what occasions in the last 10 years he has given a direction to civil servants to award a contract against the advice of the civil service; what was the subject matter of the contract and its value; and when it was awarded.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 8 July 1994] : There have been no such occasions in respect of myself or my predecessor.

     

    Ex-service Personnel

    Mr. Alfred Morris : To ask the Prime Minister what steps he will be taking to give effect to the decision taken by the House on 1 July on the welfare of ex-service people.

    Mr. Mackinlay : To ask the Prime Minister what action he is taking to implement the resolution on welfare of ex-service people approved by the House on 1 July.

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 8 July 1994] : We already have in place substantial administrative arrangements to meet the special needs of ex-service personnel, which involve close liaison between the relevant Departments; we believe these arrangements most effectively serve the welfare needs of the ex-service community. The Government attach great importance to achieving high quality services, and will continue to keep areas of concern to veterans under review.

  • Mr Major’s Commons Statement on the 1994 Economic Summit at Naples – 11 July 1994

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s Commons statement on 11th July 1994 regarding the 1994 Economic Summit at Naples.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    The Prime Minister (Mr. John Major) With permission, Madam Speaker, I shall make a statement on the Naples summit of 8 to 10 July, which I attended with my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary and my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I have placed the communique of the seven-nation economic summit and the chairman’s statement on the eight-nation political summit in the Library of the House.

    The summit process is changing in two important ways. In 1991, I invited the then Soviet leader to join the seven for a meeting after the London summit. This practice was continued in 1992 and again in Tokyo last year. I discussed a new format with President Yeltsin in February. That was to invite Russia to become a full and equal partner in our political meeting. That was accepted and President Yeltsin’s involvement brought an extra dimension to the political aspects of the summit. He made it clear that Russia will co-operate closely on the most difficult international problems, from Bosnia to North Korea ; and he was warmly welcomed in that spirit.

    The second change is that the summits are returning to the informality and free debate which characterised the early meetings 20 years ago. The move away from set-piece speeches and pre-scripted discussions made it the most wide-ranging summit which I have attended. We shall allow even more time for unscripted discussions next year at Halifax.

    We spent some time discussing international institutions. Many of the main world bodies–the United Nations and the Bretton Woods institutions, for example–have been with us for nearly half a century. The world has changed enormously in that period and so have some, but not all, of our institutions. For example, the World Trade Organisation will take over as a permanent body in place of GATT, itself originally a temporary structure. But, generally, we concluded that we should think about further changes to those institutions which may be needed in the future. We need to decide how best to meet the huge tasks confronting the different parts of the United Nations and how to respond to new economic problems. We may need to revitalise those institutions. We shall all consider that between now and the summit at Halifax next year. If we conclude that changes are necessary, we shall begin the process of bringing them about. The summit countries alone cannot make those changes, but it is right for us to ask whether they may be necessary.

    On economic matters, the summit built on the G7 countries jobs conference held in Detroit earlier this year. The world economy is now emerging from recession. At Naples, there was wide agreement on the policies that the G7 countries now need to pursue : free trade, flexible labour markets, deregulation, policies that help and encourage unemployed people back in to work, and investment in education and training. Those themes will be familiar to the House, because they precisely match the policies that this Government have been pursuing. They were all warmly endorsed by the G7.

    Further trade liberalisation is an important part of the G7’s strategy. The completion of the Uruguay round was a significant achievement that will increase trade and growth right around the world. We need the various agreements to be ratified by the end of this year. Thereafter, we should consider further initiatives on trade and on economic liberalisation.

    The summit proposed additional debt relief for the poorest countries. That is something I have long been pressing for. At Naples, we agreed on two specific measures to help those countries facing special difficulties : first, more help with debt payments, taking the level of relief above 50 per cent.–to two-thirds and perhaps beyond ; and, secondly, reductions in the stock of debt. We also agreed to explore ways of getting the international financial institutions to use their resources more effectively to help the poorest and most indebted countries.

    Since I introduced the Trinidad terms initiative four years ago, 22 countries have benefited, with nearly $3 billion of debts written off thus far. The new proposals agreed at Naples will provide further help to lift a burden from some of the world’s poorest countries. We urged that there should be more help for the Palestinian authority, which is setting up an entirely new administration in Gaza and Jericho and needs to encourage new enterprises. Britain is contributing £75 million, bilaterally and multilaterally, over three years, including the extra help for running costs and technical assistance announced last week.

    Likewise, in South Africa, Britain has allocated £100 million to transitional aid over the next three years. South Africa’s re-entry into the economic mainstream could do much to revitalise southern and central Africa.

    We also spent some time on Ukraine, where there is an evident need to restructure the economy. Given her position and size, it is important to have both a stable and prosperous Ukraine. The summit countries and the international financial institutions are keen to help that process, which must include reform of the energy sector. We are putting forward an action plan to close the Chernobyl nuclear plant, where there are continuing worries about the risk of another accident. Our plan will require reform by the Ukrainians as well as providing significant financial help from the west. We agreed also to replenish the nuclear safety account.

    On the environment, the G7 were concerned about the slow progress in meeting the commitments made at the Earth summit in Rio, and agreed to speed this up. Britain itself has fully met her commitments under the action plan agreed after Rio by the Group of Seven. We have published the plans required under the climate change convention. We all agreed to report further progress at next year’s G7 summit. At the Commonwealth conference last year and the European Council in Corfu, I argued for more action by Governments to oppose transnational crime, drug trafficking and money laundering. This approach was strongly supported at Naples. Where necessary, we are urging countries around the world to introduce legislation to prevent money laundering.

    Bosnia was discussed in my bilateral meetings with both the Russian and American Presidents and, of course, at the political summit itself. Collectively and individually, our Governments will urge the parties to accept the Contact Group’s settlement proposal. We are completely united on that point. There is a risk of a wider and more intense conflict if this opportunity for peace is not taken. Later this week my right hon Friend the Foreign Secretary, together with the French Foreign Minister, will visit the former Yugoslavia to impress this point on the parties.

    We need assurances about North Korea’s nuclear programme, including compliance with the non-proliferation treaty and with International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards. The summit supported the efforts of the United States and of South Korea to develop a dialogue with the north, and I hope that they will be resumed when North Korea has a new leader.

    In Yemen, the recent, brutal civil war has left fears about the country’s future stability. Iraq’s support for the north has caused justifiable concern to our friends in Saudi Arabia and Oman, both of which border Yemen. The summit called on the Yemeni authorities to resolve internal difficulties without repression. We were concerned that Yemen would become a new source of instability in the region. I have highlighted the key political and economic points of what was effectively two summits in one. Summitry has proliferated over the past 20 years. I believe that we need a critical approach to make the best use of these occasions. Many worthwhile changes are now taking effect, and the Naples meeting was much more valuable as a result. I commend the outcome of the summit to the House.

    Mrs. Margaret Beckett (Derby, South): There is much in the communique that we welcome, and much on which the Prime Minister touched only lightly, if at all. In particular, we welcome the communique ‘s strong emphasis on the need for action to create jobs, to promote growth and the increased wealth that that creates ; to tackle the damage being done to our environment and especially the problem of Chernobyl, to which the Prime Minister referred, and to work with the Ukraine to remove its nuclear stockpile. I join the Prime Minister in urging acceptance of the settlement proposals for Bosnia since, unsatisfactory though some may think them, continued conflict could surely only be worse.

    We were also pleased to see in the communique that a start is being made on the reform and modernisation of the World bank and the International Monetary Fund. After talking about third-world debt relief on Trinidad terms for four years, it may actually begin to happen on a wider basis.

    However, does the Prime Minister acknowledge that for many in the developing world, money will still just be going around in circles with money freed by bilateral debt relief going to the World bank or the IMF instead unless steps are taken towards multilateral debt relief, building on the approach already adopted ?

    Although the Prime Minister spoke this morning of the advantages of increased international trade, does he accept that unless we find some way of oiling the financial wheels and promoting international support for the economic reconstruction and development to which he referred–in South Africa, the middle east as well as in eastern Europe–it simply will not happen ?

    We welcome the reference in the communique to the fresh allocation of special drawing rights for which the IMF and the new members from eastern Europe have called. However, can the Prime Minister tell us anything about the time scale for that decision and what discussions were held on other measures, perhaps, as in the past, financed from IMF gold stocks ?

    Will the role of the G8 be reviewed alongside the IMF and the World bank, as John Smith urged earlier this year, exploring the idea of an Economic Council of the United Nations alongside the Security Council and drawing in therefore, as the G8 at present fails to, other major economic players such as China and South America ?

    The Prime Minister’s principal contention in what he said about the economic summit is that the rest of the world is following Britain’s lead and that this because of our proven economic superiority. I can only describe that observation as self-deluding since it is supported neither by the words of the communique –and I urge Conservative Members to read the communique in the Library–nor by the facts. As anyone who reads the communique will discover, it calls for the co-ordinated pursuit of growth, job creation, skills enhancement, support for innovation and infrastructural renewal. Those are all Labour party policies since before the last election and they were all denounced by the Prime Minister as irrelevant and wrong. That leads one to wonder why he signed a communique which calls for precisely those measures.

    The Prime Minister should recognise that, if those words in the communique that he signed are to be more than empty words, a complete change of British Government policy will be required. Is it not the case that, far from endorsing the Government’s recipe of never-ending deregulation and lower wages, in the discussions the American Secretary of Labour called it

    “part of the problem not part of the solution”

    and that, although there is a call in the summit communique to reduce employment costs, this Government have increased them by pushing up national insurance and loading sick pay costs on employers ?

    The Prime Minister must also be aware that the truth is that, while all our competitors are keeping, and in some cases increasing, minimum wage protection–for example, in France and in some parts of the United States–and bringing measures like extra family leave into train, their record on growth, skills and job creation is better than ours.

    Is not the real message of the communique that our more successful rivals are pursuing, not the policies of this Government, but the path that we advocate? The Prime Minister and his colleagues show every sign of failing, yet again, to understand why they are failing Britain.

    The Prime Minister: I must say that that was a very novel interpretation, on which I shall comment in a few moments. I welcome the support that the right hon. Member for Derby, South (Mrs. Beckett) offered on a number of proposals in the communique relating to jobs, energy, environmental matters and on the approach that we are proposing on Bosnia. I also welcome what she said about the Trinidad terms. A substantial amount of debt has been written off already, but there is further to go. Some countries have been resistant to implementing the Trinidad terms, but I think that the Paris Club can now move ahead as a result of the agreement reached at the G7 in the past few days. That will be immensely helpful to many poor countries.

    As the right hon. Lady intimated, there are other ways of helping poor countries. It was rather masked in the arcane language of the communique , but we looked at using the IMF’s gold stocks to assist not only the very poorest countries in the world, but areas such as Gaza and South Africa, where there is a self-evident need for help. That is a wise way for us to proceed. In terms of job creation in those countries, the opening of markets, the liberalisation of trade and the elimination of debt will all provide an incentive for growth that will show within those countries–providing we are able to proceed with those proposals. The right hon. Lady then moved on to other matters and quoted rather selectively from the communique . Alas, she missed some points, such as a number of structural measures to reduce labour rigidities, which add to employment costs or deter job creation, eliminate excessive regulations, which will ensure that indirect costs of employment are reduced where possible, and to pursue active labour market policies.

    The right hon. Lady’s eyes apparently skimmed past a range of other things as she quoted from the communique . If she thinks that all those measures are Labour party policies, my hon. Friends and I will be very pleased to have learnt, at last, what it is that the Labour party stands for in terms of economic policies. As for the right hon. Lady’s concluding remarks about the relative performance of the United Kingdom, that is an old ground of dispute between us. I do not agree with her interpretation, because there is no doubt that our country is leading the European Community out of recession–there can be no doubt about that, because our growth this year is likely to be twice as high as that of any other European Community country. I find it astonishing that, when this country is doing well and companies and the work force are doing well, that is something that the Opposition appear to regret deeply. I am sorry to learn that.

    I must tell the right hon. Lady that we are leading the country and Europe out of recession. It is extremely good news for the world economy that the American growth now exists, that the Germans are now out of recession and that the G7 as a whole is moving back into growth by following the sort of policies that have brought this country out of recession, and not the policies that the Opposition advocate, which would take it straight back into recession.

    Mr. David Howell (Guildford): Does my right hon. Friend accept that he did an excellent and workmanlike job for Britain at the Naples summit ? He is to be congratulated on it. Like my right hon. Friend, I hope very much that the Contact Group will succeed in bringing peace of some kind to Bosnia. Can he explain why the Serb Bosnians should cease their fighting, after a 100-year ambition to expand their areas of control, when they have an unending supply of arms and equipment from Serbia proper? Has not the time come, particularly as Mr. Yeltsin is more on side now, to strengthen the embargo against Serbia proper in all sorts of ways? That would bring home to the Serbians and Serbian Bosnians that they cannot go on defying world opinion and that they must come to the peace table with everyone else.

    The Prime Minister: In his last few words, my right hon. Friend set out clearly the message which my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary and the French Foreign Minister will take to the Serbs in the course of the next few days. It must be made clear to Serbia that Serbia and the next generation of Serbians have no future unless they are prepared to come to an agreement that is satisfactory to the world community. They cannot continue as they are and they can certainly expect no relaxation of sanctions or any international help until and unless they reach an agreement that will bring the fighting to an end.

    For some time, both the Serbians and, on occasion, other parties have moved away from the settlement that could have been reached in the belief that, if they waited, they would get a better deal in the future. There is now no doubt that the international community is determined to do whatever it can to enforce a settlement. I find it striking that each of the political heads of the G8, including the President of Russia, were determined that now was the opportunity to put every conceivable pressure on all the parties to come to a satisfactory settlement.

    Sir David Steel (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale): Does the Prime Minister acknowledge that the forthcoming mission of the Foreign Secretary and the French Foreign Secretary, backed by President Yeltsin, to try to persuade the warring parties in Bosnia that they must accept the peace settlement, however imperfect, deserves the united support of this House?

    On the economic section of the communique, will the Prime Minister forgive me if I do not quote bits of Liberal Democrat policy in its support, following the pattern already set? On the institutional changes contemplated in the world financial bodies, will he assure us that he will also look at their lack of accountability to member Governments and member Parliaments for the policies that they pursue?

    Finally, does the Prime Minister accept that, although the communique is less specific than his statement, we welcome the new debt relief proposals that he has achieved? He will know that the all-party Africa caucus lobbied the Chancellor before the meeting, and he saw us last year. We are deeply grateful for the progress that has been made. It will certainly bring widespread relief to at least six of the poorest countries in Africa.

    The Prime Minister: I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his final point. As soon as we have moved a little further with debt relief, we need to look again at the countries that are eligible for it. Some countries fall on just the wrong side of the debt relief line currently available under the Trinidad terms, but those countries may be helped by the point which the right hon. Member for Derby, South (Mrs. Beckett) asked me about–the proceeds of institutional gold sales by the IMF. That would not necessarily be restricted to Trinidad terms countries.

    On the institutional changes, accountability certainly needs to be examined. That is perfectly clear. The underlying reason for that examination is simply to determine whether, after so many years, the institutions themselves are still relevant to the problems that are likely to face us in the next 10 or 15 years. By “institutions”, I mean not only the Bretton Woods institutions–the IMF and the World bank–but we need also to look at the United Nations, the development of NATO in the light of “Partnership for Peace”, and the enlargement of the European Union, as well as the changes that we have already seen with GATT becoming the World Trade Organisation. Those are not matters which the G7 can determine but, in all those institutions, the G7 countries are leading members.

    If we decide that there needs to be some reform, at that stage we shall wish to consult other members of those institutions in an attempt to bring about the reform. But I emphasise that the G7 does not see itself as a directorate that can impose those changes on the institutions. We are simply making the point that now is the time to examine them to see what changes are necessary.

    I agree with what the right hon. Gentleman said about Bosnia and I am grateful for his support for the visit of my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary.

    Several hon. Members rose

    Madam Speaker: Order. A number of hon. Members seek to question the Prime Minister. I am now looking for one brisk question each and, if I may, brisk answers.

    Sir Peter Emery (Honiton): Was further consideration given to the extension of the non-proliferation treaty to those countries that have not signed it? Will Japan support any action that might be taken against North Korea if the situation deteriorates rather than progresses?

    The Prime Minister: There was, in discussion, unequivocal support by all the G7 members, including Japan–and of course Russia as part of the G8–for the indefinite extension of the non-proliferation treaty in 1995.

    Mr. Peter Shore (Bethnal Green and Stepney): The summit communique reads remarkably like the election manifestos put out by my hon. Friends who are candidates for the Labour leadership– [Interruption.] –so, obviously, there are good things in it. In particular, I welcome the movement of the G7 into the G8, including Russia, and the arrangements for a very searching 50-year anniversary review of the institutions set up in Bretton Woods. On the question of aid, can the Prime Minister tell us what figure he hopes to put on the further concessions of debt relief as compared with the $3,000 million debt relief already gained ?

    The Prime Minister: I think that it is difficult to put a precise figure on it. I will examine the scope for further reduction, and I will write to the right hon. Gentleman with a figure. It will be a very substantial figure indeed, but I cannot immediately put a figure on it.

    On the earlier points, I am pleased to have the right hon. Gentleman’s support for the review of the institutions. I was a little surprised to hear of the apparent similarity between the communique and the manifestos of the potential leaders of the Labour party, which I have read with great interest– [Interruption.] I am not sure that my vote would swing the result–not least, though, alas, he is not with us this afternoon, that of the hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Hull, East (Mr. Prescott), who, despite what was in the G7 communique , said on 4 July :

    “Deregulation has been an economic failure”.

    Mr. Iain Duncan Smith (Chingford): Notwithstanding my right hon. Friend’s reply to the question of my right hon. Friend the Member for Honiton (Sir P. Emery) about nuclear proliferation, does he agree that one of the biggest problems is that North Korea and China are at the apex of a chain of proliferation which has already taken place, and that many countries in the middle east, not least Iran, Iraq and Libya, have significant capability and within the next five or six years are likely to have a launch facility which will be able to strike parts of Europe? Does he agree that now is the time for us to accept that proliferation has to some extent failed, and to find new measures?

    The Prime Minister: I am disinclined to accept the concept that proliferation has failed because I think that it is extremely important that we press the case for non-proliferation whenever and wherever we have the opportunity. It is not always entirely clear precisely who has the capacity to launch nuclear weapons and who has them. I wish it were a good deal clearer than it sometimes seems to us. But there is no doubt that we need to maintain pressure. My hon. Friend mentioned a number of countries which we have been pressing precisely on this point. He could probably name others, and so could I. However, we intend to continue to press for non-proliferation both through the treaty and, of course, bilaterally.

    Mr. Tam Dalyell (Linlithgow): What did President Yeltsin say to his colleagues about sanctions against Iraq ? How does the Prime Minister feel about continuing sanctions and the shortage of water filters and water pumps in the sweltering heat of Baghdad which will most certainly lead to massive disease in the Euphrates and Tigris valleys ?

    The Prime Minister: The hon. Gentleman knows of the humanitarian options that are available, and he and I have had the opportunity of discussing them in the past. President Yeltsin did not express a view on this matter, but Russia, of course, has supported the imposition of sanctions on Iraq, and continues to do so.

    Mr. Toby Jessel (Twickenham): Can my right hon. Friend tell us whether the Group of Seven considered the long-term economic impact on the rest of the world of the growing industrial strength of Asiatic countries, not only Japan, Korea and Taiwan, as it was, but now increasingly India, China and half a dozen other countries?

    The Prime Minister: We did not specifically discuss those countries in that sense, but in all the economic discussions of employment and growth, the changing position of south-east Asia and the Pacific basin countries was ever present in our minds. Many of the countries that were relatively captive markets to western states 20 or 25 years ago are now not only competing with those previous supplier countries but competing very successfully with them in different parts of the world. That is one of the matters that I think underlies the concern that we have for the maximum amount of industrial efficiency in this country, because competitiveness is far greater as a result of what has happened in the Pacific basin than it has ever been before.

    Mr. Andrew Faulds (Warley, East): The right hon. Gentleman mentioned the contribution that Her Majesty’s Government are making to the rebuilding of Palestine. Would he be good enough to give the House some idea of what contributions his G7 colleagues are likely to make to that purpose, and does he consider them anything like sufficient for the immense job that faces President Arafat?

    The Prime Minister: It is, as the hon. Gentleman says, an absolutely immense job. Apart from our bilateral contributions, there will be bilateral contributions of various sizes from a number of the other G7 countries, and also a substantial collective contribution from the European Union. I shall write to the hon. Gentleman with details of the figures that we have.

    Mr. Nigel Forman (Carshalton and Wallington): May I return to the issue of non-proliferation in relation to nuclear matters ? Was there any consideration at the summit of measures that it might be right for the G7 to take–and Russia to take–to encourage other sources of energy in countries that might be tempted to go nuclear precisely because they see nuclear power as their best chance for the future ?

    The Prime Minister: There was no discussion on that point–time did not permit detailed discussions on it. We are primarily concerned to make sure that the non-proliferation treaty is extended and that it sticks. As my hon. Friend will know, a large number of countries are at the moment disinclined to sign it; we are very concerned to make sure that they do.

    Mr. Dennis Skinner (Bolsover): Another summit, another jamboree. Why did not the Prime Minister tell us about the part of the communique that he had to deliver at the end of the summit in respect of those two Tory Members of Parliament with their noses in the trough?

    On the subject of deregulation, why should big business have to carry the on-costs of lining the pockets of Tory Members to put down questions ? In some of the other G7 Parliaments, the rule is : one Member of Parliament, one job only. If people cannot manage on £31,000 a year, they should not put up for the job.

    The Prime Minister: The hon. Gentleman no doubt thinks that these summits are enormous fun. Set against the attractions of a cricket final at Lords they do pale to a certain extent, at least for me. The matters mentioned, with his usual delicacy, by the hon. Gentleman were not discussed at the summit.

    Mr. Patrick Cormack (Staffordshire, South): When the Foreign Secretary goes on his crucial mission this week–we all wish him success in that–will he and his colleagues see President Milosevic, Mr. Karadzic and General Mladic together, to impress on them not only how seriously the G8 view their appalling actions but also the fact that those who are responsible for war crimes will be brought to book?

    The Prime Minister: I am confident that my right hon. Friend will meet each and every one of those gentlemen, but I very much doubt whether he will meet them together. There are likely to be separate meetings. He certainly proposes to see the leaders of the Serbs and the Bosnian Serbs, and I have no doubt that he will make my hon. Friend’s final point to them.

    Mr. Peter Mandelson (Hartlepool): Did the Prime Minister, in one of his scripted or unscripted moments in Naples, discuss the presidency of the Commission? In his quest for anyone but Dehaene to succeed Delors, can he tell the House who now is in the frame and what qualities they have?

    The Prime Minister: That too was not a matter for the G7 summit. There was no formal discussion at Naples of the Commission presidency.

    Dr. John Cunningham (Copeland): Go on.

    The Prime Minister: I shall repeat it for the right hon. Gentleman’s benefit : there was no formal discussion in Naples of the Commission presidency. It would be wholly wrong for four member states to form a caucus. [Laughter.] The House is well aware of the objection that I took to that on a previous occasion when there seemed to be a caucus. What is needed is thorough consultation between all 12 states, and that is what the German presidency has in hand.

    Mr. Anthony Coombs (Wyre Forest): The conclusions of the summit properly recognised the importance to economic growth of deregulation and labour market reform–despite the somewhat spurious claims of the Johnnies-come-lately on the Opposition Benches. Would my right hon. Friend agree that, in a European context, subsidiarity is particularly important? Does he agree with Klaus Kinkel, the German Foreign Minister, who recently said that subsidiarity provides the opportunity to roll back European decision making? Is not that evidence that European decision makers are at last coming round to the British view on subsidiarity?

    The Prime Minister: I certainly know that the German presidency proposes to take subsidiarity a good deal further during its presidency of the European Union in the second half of this year. I have not heard the particular quote by Mr. Kinkel, but it is certainly one to which I would subscribe, and it is an indication of the extent to which the terms of debate in Europe have changed.

    Mr. Harry Barnes (Derbyshire, North-East): If the Government think that they are dragging us up the economic hill, taking the G7 countries behind us, who took us down in the first place?

    The Prime Minister: One might ask the same question of all the G7 countries which suffered recession.

    Mr. Barry Field (Isle of Wight): In three weeks’ time, the Bank of England will be celebrating 300 years of survival. Does my right hon. Friend agree that the best news to come out of the summit is that the G7 central banks, and the Bank of England in particular, would no longer be required to chase the US dollar all over the Pacific?

    The Prime Minister: The tercentenary of the Bank of England is a remarkable occasion : the bank has been an astonishing institution over the years. My hon. Friend makes his point with great clarity.

    Mr. Harry Cohen (Leyton): Virtually the whole House will approve of the G7 putting up the money to close down Chernobyl nuclear power station. When is that likely to come about? There are other nuclear power stations of similar design in the former Soviet bloc. Will money be put up to close them down as well?

    The Prime Minister: We have reached agreement on the way to help the Ukrainian authorities to close the Chernobyl plant. That involves closing the remaining reactors and assisting to complete new reactors with modern safety standards. That will now have to be discussed with the Ukraine. That will happen speedily, and I hope that the resources can then be made available. We have centred on Chernobyl because of the nature of that reactor and its condition, which is one of the special concerns.

    Mr. John Greenway (Ryedale): Given that much of the nervousness in world financial markets appears in part to be due to worries about long- term inflation, what discussion took place on inflation prospects? Were other countries present able to point to the good news on inflation such as that we had today on factory prices?

    The Prime Minister: Yes, there was some discussion on inflation. There is no doubt that at the moment inflationary tendencies are subdued, not just in this country but in other countries. It is certainly the intention of the G7 Governments, as far as it is practicable, to keep inflation at the lowest possible level. I hope that that will have its long-term impact on the markets as soon as it is apparent to them that that is happening.

    Mr. Tony Worthington (Clydebank and Milngavie): The news that the United Nations and its organisations and the international financial institutions are to be reviewed is welcome, but is not this a matter of such importance that it would be appropriate for the Government to issue a consultation paper so that there could be widespread debate in this country on those matters?

    The Prime Minister: We first have to consider the matter ourselves. I shall consider the hon. Gentleman’s point. I am not immediately attracted to issuing a White Paper. I think that the first process is for us to consider as a Government–and I accept that it is certainly a reasonable matter for a debate in the House–whether we think that changes are necessary and, if so, what they might be. However, I would prefer to engage in discussion with other Governments before deciding what to press for. Although I hope that other people would not hesitate about letting us have their views, I am not at the moment attracted to publishing a White Paper.

    Mr. Jacques Arnold (Gravesham): May I draw attention to the pressure, according to the communique , that the G7 countries and Russia are putting on the Haitian junta to step down? In his campaign for democracy and human rights, will my right hon. Friend bear in mind the last Latin American republic that has still not returned to democracy and human rights–Cuba?

    The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend is right : Haiti is a matter of some concern to a number of countries and, of course, particularly, for self-evident reasons, to the United States. We should certainly like to see the restoration of President Aristide and democratic government. That is equally the view of the other G7 Heads of Government.

    Mrs. Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley): The Prime Minister spoke of the concern of the G7 Governments for the poorest in the world. Was he able to tell them when his Government would reach the UN target of 0.7 per cent. of GNP for overseas aid?

    The Prime Minister: No Government was able to give a commitment as to when that would be. As the hon. Lady knows, I think that we have the sixth largest aid programme in the world. I think that our record is unequalled by any other country in terms of the amount and speed with which we have completely written off historic debt.

    Mr. Michael Brown (Brigg and Cleethorpes): I believe that my right hon. Friend said that South Africa was discussed at the summit over the weekend. Will he confirm that it is imperative that the G7, rather than just the United Kingdom, contributes to ensuring the economic development and regeneration of South Africa? If that country succeeds economically, the trickle-down effect across the whole continent will be of great benefit.

    The Prime Minister: I agree with my hon. Friend. There is no doubt that other countries also recognise the importance of South Africa. In effect, they recognise that in two ways–the importance of dealing with the internal difficulties of the new South African Government ; and, equally, the impact of a successful South Africa on the whole of southern and central Africa. I have no doubt that other countries will offer assistance. My right hon. Friend the President of the Board of trade is currently in South Africa, with business men, to determine what assistance can be given.

    Mr. Geoffrey Hoon (Ashfield): In his statement, the Prime Minister suggested that the G7 supported his Government’s calls for flexible labour markets. However, was it not the case that in the final communique other members of the G7 insisted specifically that the word “flexible” was not part of the final words? Is not that because they have quite a different view from Government policy on the best way to create jobs?

    The Prime Minister: I am not sure where the hon. Gentleman heard that, but it did not occur in any discussion to which I was party.

    Mr. Ian Bruce (South Dorset): Following directly from the question asked by the hon. Member for Ashfield (Mr. Hoon) about job creation, did not the G7–now G8–countries discuss the introduction of an information super-highway? Did not they have before them the European Commission’s White Paper on growth, competitiveness and trade? If so, were not they surprised that it is full of the British solution to introducing an information super-highway, which is competition, deregulation and privatisation?

    The Prime Minister: That White Paper was referred to in the discussions, although the super-highway was not mentioned other than in the general sense of greater liberalisation of telecommunications.

    Ms Glenda Jackson (Hampstead and Highgate): Will the Prime Minister tell the House why the G7 nations cannot bring pressure to bear on the International Monetary Fund and the World bank on the issue of accountability? Will pressure be brought to bear on the IMF and the World bank to ensure that in future developing nations will be genuinely treated as equal partners and not as beggars?

    The Prime Minister: I do not think that the IMF views indebted countries in that fashion. It tries to assist them and to help them out of their difficulties. That is one of its purposes. Certainly those IMF officials whom I have met would not in any way characterise the countries in the way that the hon. Lady described them. There is no doubt that there is a need for assistance for those countries. I believe that the IMF provides it. However, as we examine the future of the IMF and other institutions, we need to consider whether that can be done better in the future than it has been done in the past.

    Mr. John Marshall (Hendon, South): Although the whole House welcomes the trade and aid policies being pursued by the European Union towards Gaza and Jericho, does my right hon. Friend agree that the responsibility for helping those parts of the world goes much wider than just Europe? Was any estimate made of the contribution that the oil-rich Arab states could make to the regeneration process?

    The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend touches upon an important point. There is no doubt that the Arab states–many, although not all, of which are oil-rich–should make a significant contribution to the future development of Gaza. That point is relevant– [Interruption.] I hear an Opposition Member whispering that some of them have already committed.

    Mr. Dennis Skinner (Bolsover): Some of the money has gone.

    The Prime Minister: The hon. Gentleman interrupts me. An Opposition Member whispered that some of the Arab states have already contributed. Others have indicated that they will do so.

    Dr. Norman A. Godman (Greenock and Port Glasgow): Was there any discussion of the urgent need to provide continuing financial assistance to those countries most heavily affected by the imposition of United Nations sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro? The Prime Minister will surely agree that Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Macedonia deserve continuing assistance.

    The Prime Minister: There was no specific discussion of that matter, for the simple reason that the international financial institutions take that into account in the assistance that they provide at present.

    Mr. Michael Bates (Langbaurgh): Is my right hon. Friend aware that news that the considerable needs of the poorest nations of the world featured so high on the agenda of a meeting of the richest seven nations will be deeply refreshing to many people throughout the country? Will he ensure that the review of international institutions, which is long overdue in the eyes of many, will specifically examine the costs of bureaucracy and duplication so that the maximum amount of money can go to those who need it most?

    The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend is entirely right about that. In providing further assistance to many of the poorest countries, there is a need not only for cash assistance–and I do not resile from the fact that much of that is necessary–but to do whatever can be done to ensure that the money is used for the purposes for which it was intended.

    Mr. Michael Connarty (Falkirk, East): Did I hear the Prime Minister make a fleeting reference to unemployment and employment creation? If I did, does the right hon. Gentleman accept Library statistics that show that, in Britain today, only 25 million people are in employment when the peak figure in 1990 was 26 million? We are 1 million jobs short. Will the Prime Minister give an assurance that, when the G7 nations discussed that matter, they did not settle on the part-time, low-wage, poverty-making employment that the right hon. Gentleman’s Government have created? What will they do to provide real jobs at decent wages for people in G7 countries?

    The Prime Minister: I have to say to the hon. Gentleman that he is completely wrong. Perhaps he would like to tell me how many countries have a higher proportion of their adult population in work than does this country. There is only one in the European Union, and the hon. Gentleman would go a long way outside to find another that is better. The drivel talked by his hon. Friends can safely be ignored.

    Mr. Mike O’Brien (Warwickshire, North): Will the Prime Minister confirm that, either at the summit or in his bilateral discussions with President Clinton, he raised concerns about the fall in the US dollar and the impact that that would have on constituents such as mine who work at Jaguar who need to export to the US market?

    The Prime Minister: No. I am not going to make any comments in the House on currency values.

  • Mr Major’s Press Conference in Naples – 10 July 1994

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s press conference, held in Naples on Sunday 10th July 1994.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    Let me say at the outset that I think Naples has been a very spectacular setting for the summit and it has been a very lively and refreshing summit in many ways, some of which I will set out for you in the next few minutes. Prime Minister Berlusconi certainly set a very fast pace with what I thought was an extremely adept chairmanship.

    Let me take a whole series of issues, but firstly let me say, I believe on this occasion we took a very substantial step towards the sort of summit reform that I first advocated at Munich two years ago, we were more informal this year, and next year we have agreed, and clearly set out in the summit communique, that we will extend that informality yet further.

    As far as the summit process is concerned, we also took a decision on this occasion to look at world institutions over the longer term and I will say a word about that in a moment, and also a word about both economic and political issues.

    Perhaps I can start firstly with the summit process. There has been a sea-change in the way in which the summit has been conducted and will in future be conducted. We had on Friday evening over dinner I think the most stimulating free debate that I can recall in any of the summits I have attended over the last four years or so, and that debate over dinner on Friday evening set the tone for a genuinely informal series of meetings. Everyone, if they had set-piece pieces, certainly seemed to ditch them. We sat around the table and covered a very great deal of territory. But perhaps most important of all, we addressed some of the strategic questions which I have always believed really should be the purpose of summits like this.

    One other substantial change this year in the process was to have the political meeting conducted between eight Heads, including President Yeltsin. I pressed for this last year, I discussed it with President Yeltsin when I was in Moscow, I thought and continue to think that it is vital to have Russia as an equal partner in our political work. I believe it proved its worth this morning.

    We are going to continue to change the format next year at Halifax, the Canadian Prime Minister is committed to that as well. What in practice that means is we will allow for even more free unstructured discussion, there will be the minimum amount of pre-scripting and the maximum amount of free ranging debate, that is the value of the summits, there may well be other changes as well that will be discussed between Heads as we approach the summit process itself.

    Let me say a word about the international institutions. Over the last few years, economically and politically, the world in which we operate has changed at a quite bewildering speed, I doubt that anyone in peace-time can recall its equal. And I think that means we have to look at the institutions that have served us so well over the past 50 years, in many ways they may have to adapt and to some extent that process has already begun, I offer you the illustrations of NATO of course and the development of Partnership for Peace; the enlargement begun, to be continued, of the European Union; the transformation of GATT, originally a temporary structure, into the World Trade Organisation. Those are changes we have seen or are seeing at the present time.

    But we took the view that we now needed to look even further ahead. What we need to think about is how the world economy is going to change as we move into the next century, how are we going to tackle the problem of jobs, it exists not just in the United Kingdom but right across the developed and the developing world. How are we going to enlarge free trade beyond the GATT process we have agreed, how are we going to help the developing countries both with their existing debt and in entering into the free trading system as equal partners? They are questions that we are going to have to develop and as we do that we may have to look at the institutions that deal with them.

    Let me turn for a moment to some economic questions. The economic programme and the conclusions of the summit discussions will be familiar I think to many of you, they have the same emphasis as the policies that we have been following in the United Kingdom for some time – labour market reform, higher standards in training and education, encouraging the creation of new jobs, and reducing the burden of regulation on businessmen. On trade we want to see the Uruguay Round ratified and then fully implemented as speedily as possible. And crucially at this summit everyone committed themselves to continuing with trade liberalisation.

    In the communique there were two objectives that I would draw your attention to particularly. Firstly, in the information sector, we want to see obstacles to competition removed, protected monopolies should be a thing of the past, that was broadly agreed. And secondly, Britain supports both inward and outward investment and the summit has called for the removal of obstacles to direct foreign investment.

    One other area of considerable concern to the British for some time was help for the developing world, another vital responsibility for those people gathered at the summit. Nearly four years ago at Trinidad I launched an initiative to relieve the burden of debt which lies most heavily on the poorest countries. On this occasion at this summit the summit has called for further action, for a reduction in the stock of debt and for more generous terms for countries facing special difficulties, that is very welcome and is a process that will need carrying even further.

    On the political questions, we spent a lot of time, as did the Foreign Ministers who were gathered here, on Bosnia. And as you will see in the summit communique we have issued a fairly stark warning. If the parties do not take the opportunity for peace that has been created by the work of the contact group, there is a grave risk of war on a large scale. I do not say that lightly, it is the considered conclusion of the discussions that we have had, not only over the last couple of days but over recent weeks.

    Next week Douglas Hurd and the French Foreign Minister, Alain Juppe, will be going across the former Yugoslavia together next week and they will be seeing the leaders of all the parties and they will impress upon them that they cannot afford to let this chance of peace slip. If the war intensifies, no-one is going remotely to gain from that, but the peoples of Bosnia yet again are going to be the losers from that intensification of war and the risk of that war spreading is a real risk and that point will be made very clear in the Foreign Secretary’s tour next week. We were agreed, without any dissent whatever, to press the parties as hard as we possibly could to go for peace on the basis of the contact group report.

    We spent sometime also looking at the very difficult situation in Ukraine. As you will know, Ukraine is holding the run-off in its Presidential elections today. We very much wish to help the in-coming Ukrainian leadership tackle the problems they face, and in particular restructure their economy, we would like to see a stable and a prosperous Ukraine over time. We agreed that our help would include a new energy strategy which does provide for the complete closure of Chernobyl, I will expand on that later if you invite me to do so.

    In Yemen we have just seen a particularly brutal civil war, less publicity perhaps than other conflicts, but nonetheless a very serious conflict. What in practice has happened is that North Yemen has used force to suppress the south and a new humanitarian problem has been created within Yemen. We propose to pay very close attention to developments there, we would like to see reconciliation, we would like to see dialogue, we do not wish to see repression within Yemen and we do wish to see Yemen living at peace with her neighbours, Saudi Arabia, Oman and other countries with whom we have a long and very deep relationship.

    I have just in these last few moments only touched upon some of the key points of our discussion on this occasion. Because of the nature of the debate, because of the informality of much of the debate, it spread a good deal wider than many of the summits I have attended in the past, and hence not everything is included in these brief words I have had to say to you.

    I do believe in that unstructured way that we are returning to the real purpose of the summits and we are likely to get the best value out of the summits by proceeding in that way.

    We focused here on some very specific issues, but we have also used the time for thinking more strategically than is often the case about the longer term and I think as a result of that, I can speak for myself but I think probably for the other. Heads of Government who have been here as well, we think it has been a thoroughly worthwhile summit and we find ourselves refreshed at the thought of continuing in this vain when we meet again next year at Halifax.

     

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

    QUESTION (Robin Oakley, BBC):

    Prime Minister, could I ask you something about a question you did not mention, the discussions in the sidelines here about the successor to M. Delors as President of the European Commission. Obviously you and three of the other Heads of Government here were interested in this question, do you expect the summit on Friday now to produce a solution to this problem, do you expect a single name to be figuring there or possibly a shortlist?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I do not think that is yet clear. No decisions could possibly be made here. One of my concerns about what happened before was that there was not proper consultation amongst the Twelve, I made that perfectly clear at Corfu when we discussed the matter.

    Plainly there cannot be discussions among the Twelve when only a small number of members are here, so there were some fairly general bilateral discussions. But on the general point of whether there will be a conclusion. Our European partners know that I did not lightly use the veto at Corfu, it is not something you do without a great deal of thought. They also know that if necessary, and I hope it will not be necessary, I would not hesitate to use it again if I thought that was in our interest or in the wider interest of the European Union.

    What is happening at the moment is that the German Presidency are consulting partners extensively and I see no reason at the moment why the matter should not be satisfactorily resolved, I hope that it will be possible to do so by the end of this week.

    QUESTION (George Jones, Daily Telegraph):

    You have spoken about the threat of the war intensifying in Bosnia if this peace initiative fails, are you now ready to pull out British troops rather than have them bogged down in another winter, particularly if the arms embargo is lifted?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think you jump over several hurdles in asking that particular question. Certainly we do take the view that the situation is very dangerous, there is a chance of peace as a result of the work of the contact group, we hope it will be taken. We are by no means certain that it will be taken, the Foreign Secretary will be pressing people very hard and I think we cannot at this stage go from that to a judgment of what the situation may be like in a month, two months or three months time, I do not think it would be wise for me to enter into those judgments at the moment. But I do want to make it clear, I hope we have made it clear, that we do think the situation is serious and I cannot indicate what we may be in a position to do in a month, two or three months time, I think we must wait and see what happens. The first thing to do, self-evidently, and the most important thing to do in the short-term is to make it absolutely clear to the parties involved that we expect them to reach a settlement and that the consequences of not reaching a settlement are very serious. All the parties to the discussions over the last couple of days will be doing that. The Foreign Secretary, as I have said, will be in former Yugoslavia next week and he may wish to add a word.

    FOREIGN SECRETARY:

    I have nothing to add. I think everybody, the Russians, will do their bit, I think everybody represented round the table were at one on the need to seize the opportunity of these next weeks and try to make the best of them. The choice is not between the present situation which is half peace and total peace, the choice is between total peace, accepting this plan, and sliding back into the kind of savagery which was the state of Bosnia a year ago, and that is one point I think we should all be making to the parties.

    QUESTION (Paul Reynolds, BBC):

    How do you reconcile the Bosnian peace plan with the principles of the London Conference, which you chaired, the high principles about the inadmissibility of territory acquired by war, the right of refugees to return home, both these principles will be violated even if the Bosnian peace plan is implemented? What do you say to the Bosnian people as you make it clear to the parties that they must make settlement, when they say well what about the London Conference which you chaired?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I do not think continued slaughter of the Bosnian people is something the Bosnian people or anybody else would wish to see. We have to deal with the realities of what exist and the danger potentially to the Bosnian people and everybody else of a renewed outbreak of severe conflict are self-evident. During the ceasefire period there have been outbreaks, it has not been a complete ceasefire, but the danger of that conflict reactivating, not just to the Bosnians but also with the added risk that as a result of that it will move further south and create a wider conflagration, is something that we cannot readily overlook. So what we need to do is to try and stop the fighting and continue with the diplomacy to provide the best possible settlement that we can reach, that is what we are seeking to do.

    FOREIGN SECRETARY:

    The plan we are pressing is of course a plan which keeps Bosnia with its existing international frontiers. The argument is about the map inside Bosnia of how the Bosnian communities, Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats, Bosnian Muslims, can live together and what kind of map is needed to create a good chance for that.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    What is self-evident beyond that, let us take the happy assumption that the map is agreed, and not just a ceasefire but an end to the conflict comes about, of course that does not mean everybody walks away from Bosnia and leaves it, there will undoubtedly at that stage be the need for peace-keeping on quite a substantial scale for a period we cannot yet judge.

    KEITH ROCKWELL (JOURNAL OF COMMERCE):

    You have expressed the support of your government for the trade and investment liberalisation measures put forward here but some of your G7 partners rejected a barter plan that President Clinton brought with him here. Do you accept the reasons put forward by these partners for not accepting it, i.e. that ratification of the Uruguay Round would be difficult if they did accept or is there another motivation there in your mind?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    It is an argument. I would have willingly accepted the broader liberalisation. I think it was entirely right of President Clinton to move forward.

    The GATT Round was a remarkable advance but there was a lot that the GATT Round did not do; it hasn’t dealt with services for example and there are a range of other areas so there is no doubt that we have to continue with liberalisation.

    In the debate around the table, everybody agreed with that. Some of our partners took the view that we ought not to take a further step forward on liberalisation until after the formal ratification of GATT because of the internal political difficulties in a minority of countries of getting that ratification and it was accepted that that created an internal problem for some. I regret that. I would like to have moved further and faster but once the ratification is complete – and we committed ourselves to that ratification by 1 January – there was no dissent from anyone that at that stage liberalisation moves forward so to the extent that President Clinton’s plan was not included in this communique, it was certainly not pushed to one side, it is a subject to which people will return within a very few months to make sure that liberalisation goes further.

    QUESTION (JAPANESE NEWS AGENCY):

    I would be very glad if you would give me your personal impression of Mr. Murayama who is a Socialist leader.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I know lots of people of different political philosophies with whom I get on extremely well. I enjoyed meeting Mr. Murayama. He made a very impressive contribution to our discussions this morning and I had the opportunity of speaking to him privately at a bilateral. I have absolutely no doubt at all that with him as Prime Minister of Japan the good relationship between the United Kingdom and Japan will continue. I have not a shred of doubt about that.

    PETER GRIFE (AP DOW JONES NEWS SERVICE):

    Financial markets have been in nearly perpetual turmoil even when you were meeting here on Friday. What do you think is causing the upheaval in financial markets, particularly what is going on between European currencies and the dollar and what have leaders here done about it and what could they do about it once they get back to their home countries?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    There was a brief amount of discussion among the Heads of Government and rather more amongst Finance Ministers but I spent a period as a Finance Minister and the one thing that I learned beyond doubt during the period as a Finance Minister is that Finance Ministers or indeed Heads of Government talking about the market is almost invariably counter-productive so I have no intention of responding directly to the question for the sound market reason I just set out.

    QUESTION:

    A brief domestic question, Prime Minister. If, as we now believe, Lord Archer is cleared of any impropriety over share dealings this week, will that clear any impediment to him taking a part in your government reshuffle?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think you know the situation with inquiries, the statutory position. The Department of Industry had a statutory responsibility. They have set up an investigation – that is an investigation that is provided for by the Companies Security Act. That is being carried out in the normal way at present.

    I was informed of this matter first when it came to the DTI’s attention earlier this year but the matter must now rest statutorily with the Department of Trade and Industry and with the investigators who have been appointed. I don’t think it would be at all right for me to offer any further comment on that whatsoever.

    QUESTION (BELGIAN RADIO):

    Prime Minister, I would like to go back to the question of the successor to M. Delors. Do you think the meeting of next Friday should produce one common candidate or could you eventually accept a short list to be submitted to the European Parliament?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think the intention is to try and find a successor to M. Delors by Friday. I think that is the way the Heads of Government wish to proceed and that is what I hope it will be possible to do.

    BRIAN HANRAHAN (BBC):

    Prime Minister, did your discussions today clarify what you think of the situation in North Korea after the death of Kim Il-Sung and is that something where President Yeltsin was able to contribute to the discussions which you said had shown the value of him being here?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We discussed a range of issues which you will have seen in the communique including that. I think the communal wish as far as North Korea was concerned is for the discussions with the Americans to continue and for the conference that has been planned to go ahead. There was a complete unanimity of view upon that. I don’t think I wish to comment beyond that.

    ADAM BOULTON (SKY TV):

    Mr. Major, would it be an accurate description of the economic section of this summit to say that the leaders of the seven industrialised countries came here, put jobs and growth at the top of the agenda and created not one extra job?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    No, the answer is it would not. You have to consider how jobs are created.

    The problem that the world faces at the moment is that almost irresistibly for the last twenty-five or thirty years there has been a steady underlying growth in unemployment. That is true particularly in Europe and particularly in many of the developing countries.

    There are many reasons for this, people have different views. In some areas, the reason is the development of technology. Technology creates jobs for people who are skilled that nobody imagined could exist until the technology was developed but the counter-point of that is that it does tend to destroy jobs for people who are unskilled or less skilled and the problem that we perceive is that in many countries there is a larger pool of people who are unskilled or poorly-skilled who are becoming an almost permanent pool of people whom it is difficult to employ. That is a point that can only be addressed in one way.

    Firstly, as far as the creation of jobs is concerned, we think there is no doubt that the increasing liberality and flexibility of the markets will enhance world trade and create jobs – that is the first point to make.

    The second point is that internally within each country we believe deregulation – I use that in the British sense of removing burdens from business – will also help to create jobs. That was a very novel idea two or three years ago produced primarily though not exclusively by the British. That is now generally accepted as far as jobs are concerned.

    Nobody was arguing for large expenditure packages that might create jobs in the short term that would be unsustainable in the long term. As far as the developing world was concerned where the jobless problem is also very serious, we looked firstly at the point I made of the liberalisation of trade but secondly at the elimination of debt to put them in a position where the increasing resources they have can be used for job-creation of one sort or another rather than just the payment of debt.

    I don’t think the characterisation you used is accurate. There were some very practical mechanisms reinforced that we believe will create not short-term but long-term permanent jobs.

    JOHN CRAIG (DAILY EXPRESS):

    You said the intention was to try and find a successor to M. Delors by Friday. I wonder if you are prepared to let us into a secret and tell us who you would like to see get the job and if not, perhaps you could tell us what sort of qualities you are looking for, what sort of person, what sort of European Commission President you would like to see.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I am not sure, John, whether that was a bid for the post – I will give it careful consideration if it was!

    I don’t propose to share a name with you. I indicated after Corfu that I thought there were a number of people who could credibly do the job and there were some that I would be less pleased to see in-post.

    I think in general terms the sort of qualities I would be looking for would be someone who was in favour of free trade rather than protection, Europe needs free trade; it can’t wrap itself up into a little ball and pretend that Japan, South-East Asia and America aren’t there so clearly he needs to be a free trader. He clearly needs to be someone who supports the development of NATO and the Atlantic Alliance. He or she would clearly need to be in favour of enlargement and clearly need to follow the trend the Community has been developing in terms of subsidiarity. Ideally, I would not like to see an idealogue there. I would like to see someone who is experienced in the way the Community works.

    That isn’t a composite check-list. It may be we will find someone who ticks off adequately on most of those points and not all. The other important thing I think is that it has to be a President who will work to represent all the members of the European Union. That seems to me to be very important and I am sure we can find a candidate who fits that bill.

    QUESTION (SWEDISH JOURNALIST):

    You said that it is counter-productive for Ministers to talk about currencies. Is that a new lesson and does that mean a shift in your practice?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I don’t think it is a new lesson, I think it is a lesson that a large number of Heads of Government and Finance Ministers have learned over the years. I certainly have learned it. I don’t think generalised comments about what often are very detailed matters creating currency turmoil are very useful.

    KEVIN BROWN (FINANCIAL TIMES):

    Returning to jobs, you came here saying that it would be, you hoped, one of the main themes of the summit. In fact, the communique although it deals with jobs at some length, does not go much further if at all than the OECD jobs report and indeed the Detroit summit. Is that a disappointment to you? Would you have liked to have seen more specific measures included for job creation?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    No, I don’t regard it as a disappointment. There was, before we began to discuss international institutions on Friday evening, a very long discussion on the subject of employment and the creation and maintenance of jobs and that was followed up again on the Saturday morning.

    What I wished to see here was not a series of tiny supply-side moves or public expenditure commitments. What I wanted to see was a community of view about how the world economies could collectively increase trade and create jobs and that community of view emerged. It isn’t a community of view that would have been readily achievable even a couple of years or so ago and yet today it is clearly there and there was no difficulty whatsoever in agreeing to the terms of the communique so I think that is a very substantial advance. Even the largest economies in the world are no longer immune from external influence, it doesn’t matter how big they are or who they are, we are interdependent to a degree and the extent to which we are able to agree the right prescription for accelerating trade and creating jobs the greater the impact is likely to be upon all of us so I found it rather refreshing that we were able to reach that agreement.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, paragraph 9 of the Political Declaration talks about the international community equipping itself with more efficient means to respond in a prompt way to humanitarian emergencies worldwide, a kind of echo of the Berlusconi idea about a humanitarian task force. Can you flesh out precisely what that is likely to mean, what the British contribution might be and all the rest?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    It is Mr. Berlusconi’s idea and he raised it. It has been raised in general terms but it isn’t yet fleshed-out. I think he was responding to a feeling that certainly exists in great measure in Italy and I think exists in many other countries.

    The United Nations has a great burden at the moment. It is certainly possible to argue that the burden on the United Nations is a greater burden than the United Nations is at present equipped to bear and many people I think would subscribe to that view. What Mr. Berlusconi was doing was pointing to that and saying that as we consider the institutions we need to see how we can respond more rapidly to problems like the one that he brought before us. He did not have and did not pretend to have a detailed prescription of what needed to be done; he was flagging up a problem that existed, that we know exists, and that it would be attractive to find a way of dealing with.

    It was left that if he had further proposals he would put them to us and certainly this is one of the matters that is likely to be discussed as we look generally at the institutions and within the United Nations. We were of course concerned not to cut across the responsibilities of the United Nations. Creating fresh organisations to do something in a new way when an organisation already exists to do it is not what Mr. Berlusconi had in mind or indeed anybody else.

    STEVE DOUGHTY (DAILY MAIL):

    Prime Minister, did you indicate to your summit colleagues that in the event of the Bosnia peace plan breaking down you are now willing to consider the lifting of the arms embargo?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think everybody recognises the inherent danger of lifting the arms embargo and we did not have a detailed discussion on that. I think our views on that have been made clear in the past and I did not need to reiterate them on this occasion.