Tag: European Union

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Ruud Lubbers – 7 December 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Dutch Prime Minister, Mr Ruud Lubbers, held in Edinburgh on Monday 7th December 1992.


    QUESTION:

    I think you talked about the Danish position, can you say something about that issue?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We talked about the whole range of issues at Edinburgh and beyond Edinburgh. We ran through the agenda. We looked at the question of Denmark and future financing, enlargement, all the issues we expect to face at Edinburgh. I think we are both committed to making sure that Edinburgh is a success and the Community can show it’s on a forward path. I hope very much we will be able to reach an agreement over the weekend that will enable the Danes to put the whole question back to a new referendum.

    QUESTION:

    Why do you think Edinburgh will be a success, because the EC is in a rather desperate position right now?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    The European Community is a fairly remarkable organisation. Over the years it has had many occasions where it faced difficulties. It has hurdled those difficulties. It has faced them and overcome them. I think that when we get to Edinburgh the many difficulties to be overcome, there’s a general will to overcome them.

    QUESTION:

    There’s a general will to overcome them?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    There’s a general will.

    QUESTION:

    And you saw that general will as well from Mr Lubbers?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Ask the Prime Minister.

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    Of course we discussed the very useful proposal of the British presidency about the Danish problem and as was said in other capitals, we think it can be improved. Certain elements of it, as I explained to the press in the Netherlands already on Friday. But I see good possibilities. You never know of course. It will be difficult and the same is for the other topics we have to discuss. It won’t be easy. Europe is often at its best when it is difficult.

    QUESTION:

    The Christian Democratic leaders have said last week that they won’t accept the British solution on the Danish issue.

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    Oh, that’s the way we prepare meetings. Always it is the same.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Would you go into a meeting saying I agree with everything if you are just about to go into negotiations? That is the standard way the Community prepares.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, what kind of improvements could you bring to this proposal to solve [inaudible].

    PRIME MINISTER:

    What we brought forward for the meeting over the weekend is a compromise between the necessary changes that are there to ensure that Denmark can successfully put the Referendum back and the changes that the rest of the Community are prepared to accept. There are some things that the Community can’t accept. We can’t accept changes to the Maastricht Treaty itself. We can’t accept things that require re-ratification. And there has to be flexibility both on behalf of Denmark and on behalf of the rest of the Community. Now we have put forward a proposal in some small areas where I think there will be further discussion at Edinburgh. I hope it will be possible to reach a conclusion. No-one can be absolutely certain about that. We will have to wait till Edinburgh. But what is perfectly clear, talking to every head of Government across the Community, is that there is a general will to see whether we can reach an agreement. Everybody will be going there trying to reach an agreement and I think that is a very satisfactory way to begin the meeting at Edinburgh.

    QUESTION:

    Will there be a motion to stimulate the European economy?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We will be discussing the European economy of course.

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    Of course we will do that.

    QUESTION:

    Do you think that it is still possible that Denmark will take over the European Presidency in January?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Yes, its not only possible, it is certain they will.

    QUESTION:

    Still?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Yes.

    QUESTION:

    Could we have your comments about the rejection by Switzerland of the EEA? Both of you please.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    It is not a wholly unexpected rejection, given the nature of the Swiss constitution. They needed to win in each and every Canton, so I don’t think it is a great surprise they have said no. I think it is a disappointment for Switzerland and for others. What will now happen, of course, is that the Swiss will have excluded themselves from the largest free trading market in the world, and the free trading market that is getting larger. The other EFTA states will no doubt now hold a conference and decide how to proceed. What I think is absolutely clear is that in no way will this diminish the wish of the other EFTA states to join the Community proper.

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    It is a pity of course, but as the Dutch Prime Minister, I want to pinpoint, make clear that we have a separate agreement with Austria and Switzerland about a very important transit problem, and that was made separately and was accepted by the Swiss population a few months earlier. Frankly speaking, that was the most important part for us and that is not endangered by this Referendum.

    QUESTION:

    But the Edinburgh summit can’t be a failure? You agree with that?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Everyone will be working to make sure the Edinburgh summit is a success.

    [Remaining section was in Dutch, and translated to the below]

    QUESTION:

    Have you been given British support for the siting of one the European Institutions in the Netherlands?

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    The British hold the Presidency. They are only looking for consensus and agreement and I do not have the feeling that it has become easier now than it was in Maastricht or in Lisbon. I am talking about the whole question of the siting of institutions.

    QUESTION:

    Your colleague Mr Major has been criticised for being too British in his Presidency. Do you share that criticism?

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    We are now busy preparing for Edinburgh and making the best of it, and in the week to come there should be no criticism – only cooperation.

    QUESTION:

    Mr Lubbers, last Friday you said that you and Mr Major would come with a few suggestions for the Danish problem.

    PRIME MINISTER LUBBERS:

    That is what we have done. That is why he was looking so cheerful.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Poul Schluter – 2 December 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Danish Prime Minister, Mr Poul Schluter, held in Copenhagen on Wednesday 2nd December 1992.


    MR SCHLUTER:

    We have today had a visit by the British Prime Minister who also is the President of the Council and we have had a two and a half hour very valuable discussion. We have of course dealt with the many important issues coming up at the Edinburgh summit in December, amongst them for instance the financial reforms which we need, but naturally we have also dealt with the Danish issue and we have had constructive discussions. We all know that we must find a solution which does not necessitate reratification processes in the other countries and so a binding solution and we have had very very good progressive discussions over these issues based on what we from the Danish side have forwarded as a so-called Danish suggestion. I do think we can find a solution, that is difficult and we still have unsolved problems at this moment. We shall have a meeting of Foreign Ministers in the so-called Conclave on 8 December and I hope that this meeting also will help to mature the issue so that we can find a solution to the Danish issue along with the meeting in Edinburgh.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Prime Minister, thank you very much. The Prime Minister has set out the areas we have been discussing this morning, we have had the opportunity of running through all the elements of the agenda that will be at Edinburgh, it will be a very crowded agenda, perhaps one of the most crowded that any European Council has had for many years. There are a very large number of matters to be determined and rather unusually many of them are linked together in one form or another. There are many interlinked decisions that will altogether, providing we get the key components right, it is not unlike, if I can put it this way, putting together Rubik’s cube, providing we get the central parts right many of the other things I think will then fall into place.

    We have had the opportunity of discussing every aspect of what may be on the Edinburgh agenda. But of course, as the Prime Minister said, we spent some time looking at the special difficulties faced in Denmark about the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty. I think we have had some very worthwhile discussions on that, I still have other European partners to consult, I hope in due course when we have finished all the consultation we will have some proposals that we will be able to circulate, they will be proposals that will still need discussion by the Foreign Ministers and subsequently in the Edinburgh summit.

    What I am absolutely clear about in my discussions thus far is that not just in Denmark but right the way across the Community there is an evident wish to reach a satisfactory conclusion that will enable Denmark to go ahead with the second referendum and to ratify the treaty in due course.

    So those are the matters we have been discussing, I think the Prime Minister and I will take a few questions if you have any.

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister Schluter, if I heard you correctly, you said earlier that you needed to reach an outcome which did not require reratification but which was nevertheless a binding solution, did you omit the word legally in front of the word binding?

    MR SCHLUTER:

    There is no difference. What we are seeking is a solution acceptable to all twelve members of the EC and with clear content that it is legally binding according to international law.

    QUESTION:

    According to international law and not according to the treaty?

    MR SCHLUTER:

    It is the national law of governments [indistinct] and that is nice.

    QUESTION:

    Chancellor Kohl and a wide body of opinion in Britain dreamt of an enhanced European free trade zone without sacrificing sovereignty [indistinct] is that right or is it unhelpful to you?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I have not seen the details of everything Chancellor Kohl has said this morning. I know that Chancellor Kohl shares my wish that we should have a satisfactory outcome at Edinburgh, that we should be enabled to go ahead with the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty and he also shares my belief that the Community must go ahead as Twelve in order to achieve that. But I have not seen all the details of the Chancellor’s speech this morning, I have been talking to the Prime Minister here.

    QUESTION:

    [Inaudible].

    MR SCHLUTER:

    I assume you all know the content of the Danish suggestion, there are a number of very important questions and we are aware in Denmark that these points from the Danish side of course are met by certain scepticism amongst some of our partners, that is not unnatural. But we want to find a solution and the solution must be acceptable to all Twelve. This also is a condition if you want the Maastricht Treaty as such, plus the addendums, to come into force somewhere, not too late, in the year 1993.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    As to your second question, we are seeking to get a solution, I do not know necessarily by next Tuesday, I hope we are going to have a solution by the end of the Edinburgh summit. That is certainly what we are working towards, I think there are some points that are clear right the way across the Community. As the Prime Minister said, there is no question of reopening the basic Maastricht text, there is no question of producing anything that requires reratification across Europe. Nonetheless, we think there are some ways in which we may be able to meet the particular difficulties faced in Denmark and we are working on those at the moment and discussing them with our colleagues in Europe. When that is concluded I will circulate the paper, hopefully before too long, to Denmark and right the way across the Community and that paper will be discussed in the Foreign Ministers Conclave in a few days time.

    QUESTION:

    [Inaudible].

    PRIME MINISTER:

    That is a slightly unusual question to ask me, for this reason. If you look at the Community now there are both large nations in the Community and very small nations in the Community and I can think of no nation that has been more concerned with enlargement of the Community than my country, not just enlargement in terms of the EFTANs, the Nordic states, Austria and others, but also looking further ahead a wider Europe that moves further across Eastern Europe and in due course takes in Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia. So the British government’s position is quite clear. Over time we believe the European Community should expand and we see many advantages in it expanding, not just the free trade point that came up earlier but also the important political advantages of extending both the principles of free trade but also the security that comes from interlocking trade agreements and trade interests as we extend the Community both northwards and eastwards over time. So the Community we believe is open to those nations who are European and who qualify for membership, irrespective of size.

    QUESTION:

    Cammal Laird Shipyard has announced that it is to close with the loss of 900 jobs, what is your reaction to that?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I have not seen the detail of the announcement yet, I knew there were difficulties, but I will see the detail of the announcement before I comment if I may.

    QUESTION:

    Mr Kohl said today that some special rules for Great Britain and Denmark [inaudible].

    MR SCHLUTER:

    But Chancellor Kohl also said that he wants to cooperate in finding a solution to the Danish issue. He emphasised that in principle he did not want a Europe based on the two-speed model and I think we all agree.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    And he has repeated that point time and time again and has done so again this morning.

    QUESTION:

    Mr Major, did you find out yet when you might have the chance to ratify the treaty in your country?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    They are going through our Parliamentary procedures this very day, so we are moving ahead.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Press Conference with Professor Cavaco Silva – 1 December 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint press conference with the Portuguese Prime Minister, Professor Cavaco Silva, held in Lisbon on Tuesday 1st December 1992.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    It is a great pleasure to be back in Portugal and to have had the opportunity of talking again to the Prime Minister. We have had detailed discussions for a number of hours. We have spent not all but most of our time examining the important agenda for the Edinburgh summit in a few days’ time.

    I think it is fair to say that the Edinburgh summit has some very crucial decisions to be taken, perhaps as wide a range of decisions many of them interlinked in one way or another as we have seen at any summit for a very long time.

    The crucial decisions, of course, are the decisions to be taken to assist our friends in Denmark to be able to ratify the Maastricht Treaty and to take decisions on the crucial aspect of the future financing of the Community over the years immediately ahead but beyond that there are decisions on subsidiarity, on enlargement, on the number of members of the European Parliament and a whole range of other issues as well. The Prime Minister and I have had the opportunity of examining all these matters, looking at them in detail, picking out the points of agreement and disagreement and considering how we might approach those matters as we move towards Edinburgh.

    I think it is fair to say that there are still many difficult issues to be resolved and I still have to see a number of my European colleagues in the meetings I have before Edinburgh but slowly and gradually we are beginning to tease out the difficulties and I hope put ourselves in the position where we can reach agreements.

    I do believe it is very important to reach agreement on these matters at Edinburgh. The Community needs to show the confidence it has in its future and I think that can best be shown by a satisfactory Edinburgh summit and agreement on many of these important issues. We are not there yet, talks are still continuing, but I have no doubt in all the talks I have had with every Head of Government, including the Prime Minister today, that there is a very strong will amongst all members of the European Community to find the solution to these problems at Edinburgh.

    PRIME MINISTER CAVACO SILVA:

    [In Portuguese].

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister Major, have you – following the negative reaction to your budget proposal – modified it in any way and if there are no modifications, does that mean that there will be no budget decision at Edinburgh?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We are still discussing the decisions. What people have not yet seen and not yet had a chance to absorb is precisely what is meant by the budget decision, what its implications are for each individual member state.

    These are very complex matters. The broad, total figures were set out in the conclave and there were some who thought they were not generous enough, there were others who thought they were too generous and there is quite a sharp division between that as you will know but what is not yet known and what we are discussing and still have to discuss is precisely the allocation within those figures on the Cohesion Fund, on the Structural Fund, on external expenditure and those are important matters of detailed negotiation that cannot be concluded until I have the views of all member states and at the moment I am about halfway round my tour.

    I have the benefit of advice from a number of my European colleagues but I don’t yet have the benefit of everyone’s advice so it will not be until we get to Edinburgh that we can reach a final conclusion on that.

    QUESTION:

    Prof. Cavaco Silva, if there is no modification does that mean [indistinct].

    PROFESSOR CAVACO SILVA:

    [In Portuguese].

    QUESTION:

    Don’t you agree that the British proposal for the EC budget might be a way of splitting even more the difference between rich and poor countries in the European Community?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I understand why you ask that question but I think it is rather an odd way to put it. This is a compromise between those who are concerned about the levels of increased expenditure and those who would wish it to increase more and we yet have to reach a final decision upon that but if you take the Cohesion Fund, for example, the Cohesion Fund is entirely fresh and additional money – there was no Cohesion Fund before. Under the compromise proposal that the Presidency have put forward, the Cohesion Fund expenditure would rise to Ecu 12.25 billion during the period of the financial perspective and there will be increases in other areas as well.

    The point at issue is not whether there are increases; the point at issue is whether there is an agreement across the Community as a whole that the increases are at the right level and are directed to the right elements of Community expenditure.

    There are lots of very complex matters to be taken into account there and those are the detailed matters that I have been discussing with the Prime Minister and with others but the very purpose of the Cohesion Fund is precisely the reverse of that you implied in your question.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, will the Edinburgh summit be a failure or a success?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I have lived through summits before and so has the Prime Minister and often one goes into the summit with many things unresolved and one comes out of the summit with those things resolved. I can’t be clear whether that will the case this time. There are lots of very complex matters that bite very clearly upon individual national interests so clearly there are many things to be reconciled at the summit that are not done yet but the summit is some days away; everyone is committed to making it a success.

    No-one is going to go in the summit and get everything they want and everyone no doubt will come out from the summit with something that they felt was very important to themselves. That is in the nature of the compromises that are a traditional part of the Community and there is no doubt in my mind that people want the summit to be a success not just for their own national reasons but because of the wider European reason of well, that Europe has had a difficult few months – we all know that, one has seen the repeated turmoil on the currency markets, one has seen the difficulties arising from the Danish and the French referenda – so the Community will itself be looking for a successful outcome at Edinburgh and if it is achievable, it will be achieved.

    QUESTION:

    [In Portuguese].

    PROFESSOR CAVACO SILVA:

    [In Portuguese].

  • Mr Major’s Joint Press Conference with Sr Felipe Gonzalez – 1 December 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint press conference with the Spanish Prime Minister, Sr Felipe Gonzalez, held in Madrid on Tuesday 1st December 1992.


    SR GONZALEZ:

    We welcome Prime Minister, Mr John Major, as President of the European Community and as you might imagine we have spent the past couple of hours working very hard preparing for the Edinburgh summit. I am sure that you will be very interested in listening to the Prime Minister, I would like to welcome him to Spain very warmly and give him the floor.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Felipe, thank you very much indeed, it is very nice to be back in Spain again and to have had the opportunity of discussing with you this morning the agenda that we have in front of us at Edinburgh and other matters as well.

    Let me say just a brief word or two about Edinburgh. We have in front of us a very important but a very complex European summit, there are perhaps more issues of importance to be decided at Edinburgh than we have had at any summit for a very long time in the Community. They include, of course, a solution to the particular problems faced in Denmark so that the Maastricht treaty can be ratified right the way across Europe, we have the difficult problem to be solved on future financing where there are very sharp differences across the Community and where we are seeking to find a compromise that is fair and acceptable to everyone, we have problems to discuss on the questions of enlargement, subsidiarity. There will be a number of important foreign policy issues – Yugoslavia of course, the former Soviet Union very probably and other issues as well.

    I think this morning in my conversations with the Prime Minister we have managed to identify many areas of difficulty, we have managed to look at the details of many of the things that will come forward in Edinburgh and I think it has been a very useful and a very constructive meeting.

    I am just coming up to half way in my tour of European Heads of Government to discuss Edinburgh and I will have a clearer idea of where agreements can be reached and compromises arranged at the end of this tour. Thus far I can simply say that many of the areas of agreement are becoming clearer, the areas of difficulty are beginning also to become sharper and I think to that extent we have had an extremely useful discussion again this morning and am most grateful to the Prime Minister for his hospitality.

    QUESTION:

    There has been a lot of criticism of the British Presidency, most recently over your compromise on the budget, has Mr Gonzalez been able to say that it will be inevitable to increase that budget, particularly on the cohesion fund, if you are to have an agreement at Edinburgh?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    The compromise we put forward, we have been criticised by some on the financial compromise for it being not generous enough and we have been criticised by others for it being too generous. What we have had to do in the proposals we have put forward is try and identify the areas of importance – the cohesion fund, the structural fund, external spending where there is a will in the Community to help in Eastern Europe and elsewhere – and identify the areas of priority and that is what we have sought to do.

    And I think when people actually examine the detailed figures they get a rather different impression from that than they may have received earlier. As for the criticism you referred to, some of that preceded the tabling of the financial compromise and in some instances apologies, very generous apologies, have subsequently been offered and accepted by us.

    QUESTION:

    Could you tell us what your response has been to the request to reduce the cohesion fund included in the Delors II package?

    SR GONZALEZ:

    There has been a proposal by the Presidency which we consider insufficient from the budgetary point of view on the whole. We consider that the proposal made by the Commission is insufficient itself from some points of view, for example the point of view of the own resources, so it is an open discussion, we will see whether we can reach a compromise which is what we want for Edinburgh, but a compromise which will solve the Community’s problems.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    If I may add to what the Prime Minister said, there is of course no cohesion fund at the moment, we agreed in the Maastricht negotiations that there would be a cohesion fund and we have put forward proposals as to how that cohesion fund might build up in resources between now and 1999. And again there are some proposals that are more generous than the compromise, there are others from other member states of the Community that are sharply less generous than the Presidency compromise. So it is to reach agreements upon that that I am having my discussions today with the Prime Minister and with other Heads of Government.

    QUESTION:

    What can we expect from Edinburgh with regard to the stability of the European Monetary System and when will the pound return to the system?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We have asked officials in the Community to prepare an examination of the European Monetary System and that work is continuing. It is very complex, it is very detailed and it will go on for some time after the Edinburgh summit so I do not expect conclusions on that matter at Edinburgh and neither do I think sterling will return to the system in the immediate future.

    QUESTION:

    Two questions, the first for Mr Major. What are the economic consequences for the economies of the Twelve and for the markets of a possible failure of the Edinburgh summit; and Mr Gonzalez, with regard to the cohesion fund and structural funds, do you think that considering the small economic growth which Europe will undergo this year, next year and possibly in 1994 you will be willing to accept a small reduction in the Delors package?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I do not anticipate us failing to agree at Edinburgh, I very much hope that we will agree at Edinburgh and I have found no contrary feeling amongst any of the Heads of Government I have met. All of us recognise the importance at Edinburgh of reaching agreement on a whole series of complex matters and I have not a shred of doubt in my mind that every Head of Government will go there determined, if it is at all possible, to reach an agreement. And the reason for that of course was implicit in your question, I think it would be damaging for the Community itself as a whole and for the economies of the Community if we were unable to reach agreement. For that reason I am optimistic that we will be able to do so.

    SR GONZALEZ:

    I certainly will make great efforts to reach an agreement but you have asked me about a specific matter. The Commission’s proposal from the point of view of the expenses seems to me very low and from the point of view of the resources or of the contributions to the resources I think it is clearly insufficient, that is the position after a technical analysis of what would be a fair solution for our country. On that basis we will of course make every effort so that Edinburgh will be a summit which will provide results, we obviously need good results, we need to clear certain political uncertainties in the Community because those uncertainties are affecting our economic situation and the Prime Minister was telling me that this will also be a subject of discussion at the Edinburgh summit.

    QUESTION:

    I would like you to explain the situation of the two Spanish entrepreneurs who were given a pardon yesterday in Guinea?

    SR GONZALEZ:

    All I can say is that I feel it is a reasonable response, I do not think they are legally responsible for the crimes with which they have been charged. I think we must be very careful in dealing with investment efforts in a country of this nature, I do not think they have committed any errors, let alone any crimes, and so I am satisfied that they have been pardoned.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Mr Constantine Mitsotakis – 27 November 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Greek Prime Minister, Mr Constantine Mitsotakis, held in Athens on Friday 27th November 1992.


    PRIME MINISTER MITSOTAKIS:

    We had a very useful review of all issues and a discussion with Prime Minister Major, who was presiding over the Council of Heads of State and Government.

    We discussed all the issues that are on the agenda of the Edinburgh summit; we talked about Denmark, enlargement; we talked about the Cohesion Fund, the Structural Funds, subsidiarity; we talked about all the issues that are of interest to the Community. We talked also about former Yugoslavia and about the very interesting question for my country, Greece, that of the Republic of Skopje, and I must say that I am very satisfied with the discussion because our views are converging and we had the opportunity to go ahead with an in-depth analysis on all these issues.

    We will continue our talks tomorrow morning and I would like to grasp this opportunity in order to thank John Major for his visit which has proved extremely useful.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Can I just add a very brief word or two to that.

    It is a very great pleasure to have the opportunity of having these discussions again with the Prime Minister. We have enjoyed our previous discussions, tonight has been very worthwhile, very fruitful and has been of considerable assistance in moving towards a satisfactory Community agreement at the meeting in Edinburgh in a few days time.

    We have, as the Prime Minister said, been able to discuss the whole range of issues, many of them in some considerable detail, as we look forward to the discussions that we have in Edinburgh.

    We have a very crowded agenda there but I think there are many areas where there is a very strong convergence of view between the United Kingdom and Greece and I look forward to nailing down those agreements at Edinburgh in a few days time.

    The Prime Minister has made clear that we will be resuming our discussions in the morning; we have enjoyed them to such an extent that we thought an 8.15 further discussion would be a very good idea tomorrow morning and I look forward to that. I think, if the Prime Minister is content, we will be happy to take a couple of questions.

    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

    QUESTION:

    I would like to put a question to you, Prime Minister, concerning the Edinburgh summit. Does the agenda of that summit include any discussion of the Republic of Skopje issue? I would also like to ask you whether you discussed an eventual trip of our Prime Minister to Serbia.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    On the first point, we are considering precisely what the agenda at Edinburgh should be at the present. I think it very likely that the subject of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia will be raised. It is not certain yet but it is a matter we discussed at Lisbon; it is a matter of concern we know in Greece and elsewhere and across the Community and it is very likely that we shall wish to take the views of the Prime Minister and others on this important subject.

    On the second half of the question, in terms of a visit by the Prime Minister to Serbia, that is one of the matters that I shall wish to discuss with my European colleagues and discuss again with the Prime Minister.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, until now the European Community has stood by Greece in its dispute with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia over the name issue. I would like to ask you in your capacity as President of the European Council today, do you think that at the Edinburgh summit the European Community will continue to support Greece over that issue?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We share with the Prime Minister a wish to see a solution to this problem. I know that is the view of Prime Minister Mitsotakis – it is the view of the rest of the European Community – and we will be discussing ways to reach a satisfactory conclusion that is satisfactory right the way across the Community and right the way beyond it. Those are the matters that we will be discussing and I think that will be the same in the future as in the past.

    QUESTION:

    Influential figures like Robin O’Neal and also Lord Owen favour recognition of Macedonia at Edinburgh in order to preserve the stability of the region. Which would you think is the lesser of two evils, the instability in Macedonia or the instability of the Mitsotakis government?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    It is quite like being back in London! I am not going to get drawn down the question of internal politics in Greece. That would not be pertinent, it would not be prudent and it would not be polite. Let me just simply say that I have a great admiration for my friend the Prime Minister.

    On the first part of your question, I simply repeat what I said a moment ago: we have a shared interest in reaching a satisfactory conclusion to this problem and that interest is shared with all our Community partners.

    QUESTION:

    I would like to ask you, Sir, if you discussed tonight with the Greek Prime Minister the idea of a double name of Skopje – an internal name and an external, international one – and what you think about that?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We discussed all these issues and we are still discussing them.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Mr Giuliano Amato – 27 November 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Italian Prime Minister, Mr Giuliano Amato, held in Rome on Friday 27th November 1992.


    QUESTION:

    Can we ask you what sort of things you discussed in your meeting today?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We have had a discussion on the whole agenda for Maastricht, the difficulties with ratification in Denmark, how we might meet some of those difficulties, we discussed future financing, indeed the whole range of issues that will be discussed at Edinburgh in a few weeks time.

    QUESTION:

    And on European economic recovery did you discuss the concerns there obviously are now about Europe’s economic position?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Yes we did. Clearly the growth pattern across the whole of Europe is far less attractive than it has been in recent years, we have been used to growth across Europe of something in excess of 2 percent, next year the projections across Europe as a whole are a good deal lower, so yes we certainly did discuss that.

    QUESTION:

    Are you any more confident about the Edinburgh summit?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I am in the midst of talking to all our colleagues, there are a whole series of complex matters, many of them interlocked, and at the moment I am in the midst of a series of discussions to find out precisely what are the priorities of all our European partners. I think it is in the nature of things that as we begin to conclude these discussions, the outcome at Edinburgh will become clearer.

    QUESTION:

    But you are not getting much support, did you get the support you are looking for today?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    You make an assertion like that, I suggest you wait until Edinburgh and see what the outcome is.

    QUESTION:

    Are we getting support for European economic recovery?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    There were some rather strange stories about European economic recovery over the weekend, I do not know where they came from, they certainly did not emanate from us. But I think what we are keen to do is to make sure that within the resources available to Europe that they are directed to the right sort of expenditure, clearly we would like to see infrastructure expenditure both with growth potential in the short and medium term and as a result of that for its employment creation potential.

    QUESTION:

    What was your reaction to that particular proposal?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I have not yet had the opportunity of discussing it with all our partners, those I have discussed it with share my view that that sort of growth is the right sort of growth for Europe.

    QUESTION:

    What is your opinion about the Italian position on GATT?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think you had better ask the Prime Minister about the Italian position on GATT. I think all of us in the Community understand the overriding importance of stimulating world trade. All around the industrial world and the non-industrial world we wish to see an increase in trade and an increase in growth. One of the important components of reaching that is to have a satisfactory agreement on the Uruguay Round.

    QUESTION:

    Does Mr Amato support your budget?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think you had better ask the Prime Minister.

    QUESTION:

    Mr Amato, what is your view of the EC budget?

    MR AMATO:

    We discussed the issue but this is really something for which the Presidency is looking for a good compromise that in Edinburgh can be reached.

    PRIME MINISTER:

    There is a wide range of views on the budget, we are seeking to bring all those views together and to reach a compromise. Some would wish to increase expenditure by rather more than others but we will reach a satisfactory compromise I hope at Edinburgh.

    QUESTION:

    Do you feel that you are going to get the kind of compromise that you would want?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We must wait and see, certainly there are I think views on both sides of the compromise we have produced, we must wait and see at Edinburgh.

    QUESTION:

    [Not interpreted].

    MR AMATO:

    [Inaudible].

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, what is your view of Her Majesty the Queen’s decision to pay tax?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    That is a domestic matter in the United Kingdom, that was a decision that The Queen took, she asked me to consider it in the summer, we considered it, I made a broad announcement, we will make a detailed announcement sometime early in the New Year.

  • Mr Major’s Joint Doorstep Interview with Mrs Burndtland – 25 November 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s joint doorstep interview with the Norwegian Prime Minister, Mrs Burndtland, held in London on Wednesday 25th November 1992.


    QUESTION:

    [Inaudible].

    PRIME MINISTER:

    From the British point of view we would like negotiations to begin without delay, that is certainly the case, that is something we will have to agree with our European partners as to whether it is before or after ratification. But either way, it would be with the intention of Norway being able to join the Community by 1995.

    QUESTION:

    Do you expect hard negotiations?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Negotiations are always hard but there is a great will within the Community to have Norway join us, I know of nobody who would not wish to see Norway in the Community. The general belief and expectation is that Norway’s proper position is as part of the European Community, so although the negotiations will be tough, Norway will have national interests to fight for, the Community will have difficulties to overcome, but I am sure the negotiations will be successful.

    QUESTION:

    Do you see any obstacles?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I think that is a matter that will become clear during the negotiations but I think obstacles are there to be overcome.

    QUESTION:

    In your discussions today what difficulties did you discuss?

    NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER:

    I can tell you that the areas I have mentioned is the importance of natural resources and the fishing situation for our coastal communities and for the whole north of Norway which are maybe the most vital, but also agriculture in sparsely populated areas close to the North Pole,

    QUESTION:

    Your meeting was longer than scheduled, what were you talking about?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I offered the Prime Minister a glass of champagne, she accepted it and she drank it, in order to indicate our wish to see Norway as part of the Community – that explains the overrunning.

    QUESTION:

    [Inaudible].

    PRIME MINISTER:

    We have an expression in Great Britain – Third time lucky.

  • Mr Major’s Doorstep Interview in London – 20 November 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s doorstep interview in London, held on Friday 20th November 1992.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    I am delighted to tell you this afternoon that after six years of very tough, very hard negotiations, there has finally been an agreement reached between the European Community and the United States on the most difficult issues in the GATT Uruguay Round.

    I cannot stress too much the importance of the agreement that has been reached today. Over the last few weeks we have been literally on the edge of what would have been a catastrophic trade war for Europe and for the United States. The agreement that has been reached today removes the threat of that trade war, removes the threat of sanctions over our industries and is the best possible news not just for the United Kingdom but for the whole of Europe and the United States as well.

    Over the past few weeks; as President of the Community, I have been pressing as hard as I can to make sure that negotiations continue, that the negotiators explored every avenue for an agreement and that a deal was reached.

    I would like this afternoon to pay a very warm tribute to the Community’s negotiators, Frans Andreissen and Ray MacSharry, and also to President Bush, Carla Hills and Ed Madigan, the United States negotiators, without whom no such agreement today could possibly have been reached. I believe we all owe them a very great debt for the fact that they have managed to reach an agreement on so many difficult issues.

    The way ahead is now clear to reach agreement on the single most important trade deal that the world has ever seen, it is a deal that when fully in force will have a dramatic impact on world trade and on world output. It is likely to increase output by around one hundred thousand million pounds a year across the world, it will be good for the industrial countries in the West, it will be good for the developing countries as well who will find fresh markets open to them in which they can sell their produce and their goods.

    I believe it is a remarkable opportunity to help lift the world out of the recession, it is clearly the single most important event that the industrial world needed to lift the gloom that has been in so many industrial countries over recent years.

    The deal now moves forward to Geneva where there are still further negotiations to be had, though the essential difficulties, as I said earlier, between the United States and the Community have now been resolved. I hope that those discussions in Geneva can come to a rapid conclusion so that the deal can be finalised with the dramatic effect I believe it will have on international trade and commercial confidence.

    Let me just say in conclusion, I believe this deal today will give a boost to confidence that will reinforce in the United Kingdom the strategy for growth that we set out and that was illustrated so clearly by the Chancellor of the Exchequer just a few days ago. It is quite literally the best possible news we could have had for industry, for commerce, for consumers, for free trade and for the prospect of secure and worthwhile jobs in the future. I believe we can be very happy indeed with what has been agreed today.

    QUESTION:

    Prime Minister, is this the best possible deal for Europe because the French Trade Minister seems to think that the British Presidency has put Europe at a disadvantage to the United States?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    As I said a moment ago, I think this is the best possible deal not just for Europe but for the world. This is a deal that will actually expand free trade, it is the largest free trade deal the world has ever seen. There is no nation that is involved in these negotiations that will not make gains and will also have made some sacrifices. Without this deal we would have faced a catastrophic trade war, with this deal we will have a dramatic increase in world trade and world output. There is no doubt that this deal is good for everyone, everyone across the Community, including France, and everyone outside the Community as well.

    QUESTION:

    But how are you going to get round the problem of selling the package to the French?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    The European Community’s negotiators are the Commission, the Commission have agreed what their negotiators have decided, the matter now moves forward to Geneva and I have no doubt we will have a satisfactory outcome in due course.

    QUESTION:

    Can you be absolutely confident that you have got the majority in Europe even if France is going to vote against it?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    I do not believe that Europe will say ‘No’ to this deal when it is finally concluded.

    QUESTION:

    Does that mean that we could see a delay in agreement in voting on this section, perhaps until next year when we would put it in with a large slice of other measures?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    What we need to be clear about is what has happened today. What has been essentially holding up the GATT Uruguay Round have been a series of very important differences between two large trading areas the United States and the European Community. Those disagreements today have been removed, there are still other negotiations to continue, they will go back to Geneva, with Arthur Donkill in charge, and those negotiations will continue. None of the negotiators believes that the matters that are still outstanding cannot be solved and solved relatively quickly, so every last dot of the comma of the GATT deal is not in place but there is nobody close to the negotiations who now believes that the outstanding matters cannot be resolved. When they are resolved I think that will have a very dramatic effect on confidence around the world and shortly after that the deal itself will come into force.

    QUESTION:

    When is our recovery?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Well whenever our recovery is going to be, this will most certainly help it, both in timing and it will also help it in terms of the scale of it. If what people are looking for is confidence, this trade deal today is the single most important event that will re-engender confidence in the industrial world, not just in this country but right across the industrial world.

    QUESTION:

    Do the French have the right to veto it?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    At the end of the day the European Community would decide this on qualified majority vote.

    QUESTION:

    Do you expect this to improve the reputation of the Presidency because both the French Trade Minister and the newly-elected Chairman of the German European Affairs Committee have been talking in terms of the British Presidency being a disaster, a catastrophe?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    Let us just look at some of the things that are happening. At Edinburgh we are likely to have a conclusion of the Single Market, the most important thing that the Community has wanted for a long time. Here, under the British Presidency, after six years of negotiations we have finally got a settlement between Europe and the United States on the GATT round. I suggest that people wait and see what the outcome is at Edinburgh before they pre-judge matters.

    QUESTION:

    Do you expect at Edinburgh to actually put the seal on the GATT deal?

    PRIME MINISTER:

    That depends on how rapidly the further negotiations conclude in Geneva. But the important breakthrough was the one that we needed and have got today, that is what people have been waiting to see, that today has been achieved, so it is a landmark in the negotiations and will now enable the negotiations to go ahead to a satisfactory conclusion.

  • Mr Major’s Speech to the Cambridge Chief Executives Forum – 13 November 1992

    Below is the text of Mr Major’s speech made to the Cambridge Chief Executives Forum on Friday 13th November 1992. Several phrases in the speech were inaudible.


    PRIME MINISTER:

    I’d just like to talk about some things that I think are relevant to our situation at the moment, what has happened, what is happening, and what is going to happen in the future. It’s a private occasion, so I will [indistinct] one or two matters in public, and I know that you will respect that. Let me just talk about some of the background. I think it is important to see what the background is to where we are. Two things that happened over the past two or three years. Undoubtedly good news everybody said. In one respect they were. But they had a very material effect in an economic area entirely unsuspected. The first of those two great events was the collapse of the Soviet Empire. We wanted it for a long time. The second of those two great events was the collapse of the Berlin Wall, something all of us found offensive, and were pleased to see the back of.

    There was a great surge of optimism, and understandably so, for who could possibly have defended either the Soviet Empire or the maintenance of the Berlin Wall. But what has been the practical effect of those two? Take the collapse of the old Soviet Union first. The obvious illustration is simply this. Would Yugoslavia be in flames today if there still had been the Soviet Union? And the answer is no. And so one sees that with every great and worthwhile event – and I’m not seeking to reconstruct the Soviet Empire – but I do point out that for every action there is a reaction, and one of the reactions of course is what has happened to Yugoslavia. It is a bitter, nasty, savage war. It is in danger potentially of spreading down to Kosovo, bringing in the Albanians, the Greeks and others. And it is immensely dangerous. And it is for that reason that we’ve sent some British troops there to help with the delivery of humanitarian aid, and we’ve spent a great deal of money – far more than I think most people realise – it must be well over a hundred million in the present financial year – in terms of easing the particular problems that exist in Yugoslavia. And yet despite that, this winter, despite the enormous amount of UN aid, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the British troops that are out there, the money we’ve spent, the aid we’ve sent, the risks the RAF pilots have taken to get into Sarajevo Airport, and they got in, I’m bound to tell you, when nobody else could or would – repeatedly day after day. Despite all that, at least a hundred thousand, and possibly a quarter of a million noncombatants in Yugoslavia this winter, men, women and children, will die. Through hunger, through lack of medicine, through cold, as a result of that particular problem. And it has destabilised an important part of the world on the very outskirts of the European Community of which we are a member.

    And then there is the collapse of the Berlin Wall. We all cheered, we all watched the television pictures, we all knew it was a historical inevitability which had to happen. But the impact of it happening has been very profound, for Europe and for business. Of course, there were two colossal political and economic discussions that I believe were made by the German Government after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. The first was the one to one swap Deutschmark for Ostmark in terms of introducing a new financial system into the new East German Lander. And the second was the belief in Germany that that great all-powerful West German private sector economy will rush into East Germany, invest, build it up, and the problems there would be solved. But East Germany is an environmental sink. And West Germany withdrew from it, and it said we don’t know what the costs are. We don’t know what the reward is. We do know that we can do far better in investing in Czechoslovakia a little way down the road than we actually can in the East German Lander. And so the investment wasn’t there. And because the investment wasn’t there the East Germans began to show signs of wanting to move to West Germany very rapidly where they would have been not welcome, and where there would have been new social problems had they done so. And so the West German Government poured massive sums of West German public sector investment subsidy into East Germany. And the practical effect of that has been German interest rates a good deal higher than they otherwise would be, Germany monetary supply getting out of control, Germany heading into inflation, and German growth in the coming year down to 1%, and still on the downward trend. And there you have one of the three great motives of the world economy.

    The United States in near recession for three years. The Japanese economy in a very sickly state by its own powerful motives in the past. Huge fiscal stimulus in Japan – they’re still not going to meet their targets. Their economy is still going down. Their industrial production in Japan has fallen five times as fast as it has in the United Kingdom or Western countries over the last few years. And there are riots occasionally in Japan because of the state of their economy. So the three great engines of the world economy, the United States, Japan and Germany, all sickly, or declining, and in the case of Germany the ramifications of German interest rate policy as the benchmark of the ERM led to that extraordinary fallacious decision of the French to hold a referendum on Europe brought about that combination of events that gave us Black Wednesday and the rest of Europe a great deal of difficulty. So, springing out of two entirely unconnected events, we see a more uncertain, difficult world, political, security and economic situation than anybody might reasonably have imagined.

    Now where are we in the United Kingdom? Let me just set out an objective that we have. An objective that I have always had. The objective I set on the first day I became Chancellor, way back in the dark ages. You may think it’s only three years! If you’d had my job [laughter] What was it, though, that objective? A fairly straightforward objective, I would have thought, sustainable, non-inflationary growth. There are two ways to get it, and how you get there depends where you start. And once you appreciate that point, you begin to see the necessity for some of the changes of policy that our less educated friends in the press would call U-turns. I’ll explain to them why they’re not U-turns, but they are a straight path to the objective one demands. Sustainable, non-inflationary growth.

    Where did I start on the day I became Chancellor of the Exchequer? With 15% interest rates, 11% inflation and rising. That was where I started at that stage. It was the constant concern of business and commerce that we were heading for hyper-inflation, and that interest rates seemed to be stuck. It was never going to be easy to get them down, and despite the fact we’d been toppled out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism without it, we would not have got them down in the way we have. But we now have a different set of circumstances. We now have inflation at 3.5%. The headline rate of inflation stayed the same, and the figures announced today were 3.6%. A more important underlying rate of inflation fell yet again to 3.8, reducing prices [indistinct] input of inflation is around about 2.5%, on some measures even less. And interest rates down 1.5%, and we now have by courtesy of events rather than management, the most competitive exchange rate. [Indistinct]. But we find ourselves in a different set of circumstances. But given that we now approach the centre of the maze, non-inflationary growth from a different position, we are in a position to operate different policies. Because we are heading on a different route. And it was for that reason, and for one other which I will come to, that I announced about a month ago in some television interviews which seemed to surprise some people that we were looking for a structure and policy for recovery and for growth. Why it should have surprised people – who on earth would have thought I would be looking for a policy [laughter] I have never myself quite understood. But there we are. Such are the ways of the world, that it seemed to be a surprise. For two reasons.

    Firstly, because I now think there is a lot of disinflation out there in the system. It is possible to move more rapidly to a more relaxed monetary policy and to recreate the conditions for investment. But secondly, for this reason. When I looked beyond the United Kingdom economy and the Germany, French, Italian economies, I looked at the economies in the United States and Japan. When I looked at what was happening in the Soviet Union, and its impact on Eastern Europe, 1,500% inflation in Russia, 2,500% inflation in Ukraine, one begins to see a set of economic circumstances coming together that potentially, in the absence of two things I will come to, could have toppled Western Europe through that narrow dividing line between recession and slump, and for that reason I think it was right, though the balance of this lay in that direction, to begin to look for recovery for growth and for stimulating the economy in a different way for the problems we face.

    There are two things the world needs – not just this country. The first, if I may take the lesser matter first, is the completion of the Single Market in the European Community at the Edinburgh Summit. We will have that. We have made great progress in the British Presidency, and we will complete the Single Market, I am sure, at the Edinburgh Summit in a few weeks time. The second is an altogether bigger problem, and more dangerous. And that is the necessity to reach a rapid conclusion to the Uruguay Round and to get a GATT settlement throughout the world. It is not tolerable for the world not have a GATT settlement, whatever the difficulties may be for any individual country or any individual Government. It is not tolerable. And. I would say to you without a single blush on my cheek that I have spent more time in the last month in seeking to get a GATT agreement than I have dealing with the occasional problems we [indistinct] [laughter] now I trust behind us. And the difficulties of the domestic economy.

    Without that GATT Agreement there is a risk of a retaliatory trade war between the United States and Western Europe. And there is only one way in which that can go. That will mean a move from recession to slump in Europe and in America, and it is folly that almost defies belief that that could be brought about for the sake of a handful of oil seeds and a barrel of grain, and it must not be allowed to happen. For that reason I enjoyed the [indistinct] with President Delors [indistinct] [laughter]. I am very pleased indeed that the European Community have now decided that they will re-engage in the negotiations with the Americans, and Mr. McSharry has been disinterred [indistinct] and brought back into the negotiating frame, and he will be off to the United States with Andriesson on Monday. And I hope that he, Mr. Andriesson and Mr. Madigan and Mrs. Carla Hills, [indistinct] that they will come back and settle.

    Once Europe and the United States have settled, the scene then moves on to Geneva. We have other problems there. Relatively small problems, bananas from the ACP countries, is it? A tricky little problem. It’s actually a tricky problem for those countries and for us, and a very serious one. But they are problems that will not hold up the GATT Round. And there’s not one single thing in the world that will do more to stimulate world trade and growth and confidence and prosperity and earnings and profits than a GATT Round. And for those countries who seek to hold it up, for one domestic reason or another, whilst with their other hand they pour out aid to the Third World, I am bound to say to them, the whole of official aid from the whole of Western Europe to the Third World is but a drop in the ocean compared with the importance to the Third World of opening up the industrial markets of the West to their products. And it is a moral matter, as well as a political and economic matter, that we get that GATT Agreement and the opening of those markets.

    So those are some of the things that are important. Let me turn to the measures the Chancellor announced yesterday. What actually lay behind them. I think there is a certain amount any Government can do to stimulate the right economic [indistinct] I don’t kid myself for a second that the Government can do it all, for we can’t. The people who produce this country’s growth and prosperity and jobs are the people like you who run businesses, predominantly medium-sized businesses, from one end of this country to the other. Our job as Government is limited to trying to produce the right economic [indistinct] and trying to produce the right psychological atmosphere or confidence which has been so sadly lacking over the last few months.

    We have passed through, are passing through the first ever south-east based white collar recession that we have ever known. It is a recession that encompasses the homes of the opinion formers. Very easy for the great denizens of Fleet Street not to worry about the recession closing a steel works up in Scunthorpe. But it’s actually putting out of work the man with the Mercedes who lives next door. It comes a lot closer to home. And it engenders a different atmosphere among the opinion formers. And – I don’t know if any of you remember Itma – it’s being as gloomy as keeps you going – an expression, if given the choice, I would pin from one end of Fleet Street to the other. For surely it is the way in which they have conducted their writing on economic matters over the last few months, and getting [indistinct] out in a quite damaging way, it does make it more difficult to [indistinct] interest rates, it does make it more difficult to encourage growth, and that psychological belief that we are actually in a position to be confident, to be successful, to grow, is vitally important.

    I have very few prejudices, though those few I have are increasing in number. But one prejudice I assuredly do have. I am sick and tired of the British habit of writing down our country, its prospects, what it is, what it stands for, what it can do. You don’t see that in other countries. They instinctively beat their chest in favour of their country, whereas the dear old British laconically lay back and say well, yes, we don’t do that very well. You can’t expect us to deliver on time. It’s not the way we treat it. And all this nonsense. But the reality is it is nonsense. And it’s damaging nonsense. And it is actually time that we started standing up and saying this is a brutal and competitive world, and we have got to stand up for ourselves. By we I mean the politicians, business, opinion formers, the media, actually stand up for Britain and say we can do things better than other countries, and you just watch what we’re going to do. Because that is the way in this increasingly competitive world that we’re really going to make our mark. The measures that Norman Lamont introduced yesterday were very sharp, three-quarters of a billion [indistinct] empty properties to lift that overhang by the housing market, help to re-stimulate the housing market, improve the balance sheets of many people in doing so.

    The change in the first few allowances in manufacturing industry. I must admit to you a heresy that I hold and have long held, held in the Treasury when I was overruled – more difficult to overrule me today [laughter]. I do not myself believe manufacturing industry is an add-on extra, and our policy is going to reflect that in a way it hasn’t in the past, and if that is a culture shock to a theologian or two in Great George Street, it is a culture shock he or she will have to live with [laughter]. And then I think beyond that the reduction in car tax to help the engineering industry was self-evident and a straight forward point. The addition of an extra £700 million of export credits to markets, if we’re going to take advantage of the export opportunities that actually exist. That is there. There is a risk with an export credit guarantee, a taxpayer [indistinct] risk, but I think in present circumstances it is acceptable. And the idea of releasing the future accumulated receipts of local authorities is two-fold. Firstly, to encourage them to sell the land and buildings and homes they no longer need, and secondly, giving them the opportunity to utilise that money to construct new properties, construction industry, and to deal with renovations and repairs in their existing properties, for that is peculiarly intensive in labour terms.

    So those are some of the measures that Chancellor mentioned. There are two others to which I would turn very briefly, for I think the impact of them has not yet. When I first went to the Treasury I was confronted by something called the Brierley rules. The Brierley rules were a set of rules developed by a great and good mandarin, Sir William Brierley, to set as many road blocks as it possibly could to any relationship between the public sector and the private sector on infrastructure subjects. And it was a very important piece of Treasury theology that there was that dividing line, and if you go across it these rules made jolly sure that [indistinct]. And I had the privilege of meeting Sir William Brierley just after he retired. And I asked him about these rules, and I said, “what d’you think of them?”, “absolute rubbish, he said”! What we have now done is go a long way further. It is actually to set out a series of circumstances in which the public sector and the private sector can combine to produce the right sort of infrastructure.

    I do mean things like the Channel Link, the Birmingham road, new developments like the [indistinct] Dartmouth crossing, like underground railway, large-scale infrastructure projects in partnership with Government and the private sector. A concept we haven’t seen before. Areas of the public sector leasing rather than buying to enable the right sort of capital development to proceed without being artificially delayed by public expenditure considerations in the short term. It is pragmatic, it is difficult, but I think it is highly practical. And not only do I think it is highly practical, I think it is very much in our own commercial and industrial interests to develop the sort of infrastructure that will make sure our British economy is as efficient as any economy anywhere.

    So there is a great change. It will take a while to come about, the East-West, the whole series of other projects that otherwise might not take place probably will take place now over the next few years as a result of this important change. And there’s one other that will have a mixed blessing. Some will dislike this next point very much, but I see great advantage. And that is that we are producing a Green Paper to look at the capacity for tolling roads, taking decisions like that, in order to improve the physical infrastructure. Why not let the private sector build roads, and toll them, and take that expenditure wholly out of the public sector and improve our infrastructure at the same time. It happens in France, Italy, it happens right the way across Europe. It doesn’t happen here. Take that money over 15 years out of the public sector figures, and you have extra resources to help elsewhere, to research and development and science, with education, the health service, and people will actually have a better physical infrastructure as well. So we are producing a Green Paper, another huge change of political theology. It has not yet been fastened upon by the opinion formers and others, and the Green Paper will come out in the course of the next few months.

    These are not short term measures. These are not measures to get us over Christmas, or over the next week or over the latest scandal that undoubtedly will erupt somewhere around the world. These are matters addressed to the medium and the far distance. With one single shining objective in the middle of them. To make sure that we have the right structure for British business, British industry, and British commerce, to maximise its opportunities, its profits, its prosperity, its growth, and its employment creating new jobs. Many years ago the old CBI had a slogan. I thought it was the best slogan the CBI ever had, and I myself am sorry that they didn’t stick with it from the 1970s when they thought of it till today, Britain Needs Business was their slogan. Gloriously ambiguous. But it is true. Britain is a [indistinct]. We are a trading nation. We always have been. We never had our eyes fixed down at our bootstraps. Our eyes, our prosperity, have been fixed on markets overseas, on innovations, on developments, on research and development, on new ideas. More Nobel Prize winners for science and industrial matters in this country per head of population than any nation in the world including the Japanese who always get the credit. Because Britain does need business. Our prosperity does, our future does. Unless we are able to recreate that entrepreneurial spirit we had in the ’80s, and it slipped away from us, at the end of the ’80s in the excessive boom that was created and inevitably followed by the recession as people who had over-borrowed got trapped into high interest rates as the Government tried to force down the inflationary [indistinct].

    So it is a great change. People will accuse us of a U-turn in policy. I don’t [indistinct]. It is a policy going the direction I have always wanted. It is upon that British, industrial, commercial, and, yes, manufacturing base that our future depends. And you may expect the direction in which Norman Lamont went yesterday to be the direction in which the Government will move in the future. And I for one believe two things. [end is indistinct].

  • PMQT – 12 November 1992

    Below is the text of Prime Minister’s Question Time from 12th November 1992.


    PRIME MINISTER:

     

    Engagements

    Q1. Mr. Garrett : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 12 November.

    The Prime Minister (Mr. John Major) : This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall be having further meetings later today.

    Mr. Garrett : Today’s unemployment figures confirm that Britain is in the longest recession since the 1930s and is still heading for the deepest recession since the 1930s. How would the Prime Minister describe his stewardship of the economy, when to most people it has been incompetent and callous?

    The Prime Minister : I think that the hon. Gentleman has been in the House long enough to know the difficulties that are faced not only here but elsewhere across Europe and beyond Europe. What the hon. Gentleman characteristically forgot to mention is that, this morning, notwithstanding the fact that every single figure in the unemployment increase is a personal tragedy, that increase is smaller than the average monthly increase has been for some considerable time. I hope that that will prove to be a welcome trend. My right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer will set out some measures later on today of which I think the hon. Gentleman may approve.

     

    Q2. Mr. Devlin : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 12 November.

    The Prime Minister : I refer my hon. Friend to the reply that I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Devlin : Is my right hon. Friend aware that, since his recent chat with Mr. Delors, it was reported in yesterday’s American press that the French Government are hinting that a compromise on GATT may now be only just around the corner? I do not know what my right hon. Friend said to Mr. Delors when he popped into Downing street recently, but, for the sake of all those manufacturing industries in the north of England, will he keep on saying it please?

    The Prime Minister : I shall certainly keep pressing the case for an early conclusion to the GATT round. I certainly welcome the assurance that the President of the Commission gave me last Friday about an early resumption of talks with the United States. I am delighted that that has subsequently been endorsed by the full Commission and equally pleased that Mr. MacSharry will be rejoining the talks. We will certainly continue to press for a very early conclusion. I believe that the Commission hopes to regroup on 20 November. It would be very agreeable if it were able to report a success with the United States so that the matter could then go to Geneva for final settlement.

    Mr. John Smith : Will the Prime Minister tell us when he first knew that the Government guidelines on the export of arms-related machinery to Iraq were being breached?

    The Prime Minister : Let me try, for the sake of the right hon. and learned Gentleman and a number of other hon. Members of the House, to disentangle the true issues from some of the misunderstandings and wilder allegations of recent days. Let me make the first and fundamental point that the issues raised by the Matrix Churchill case have been referred to an independent judicial tribunal. All the papers that the inquiry seeks will be available to it. All Ministers and officials who are asked to give evidence to that inquiry will be required to do so and the inquiry will be free to publish whatever material it wishes.

    The second point relevant to the whole House, I think, is that every relevant aspect of the conduct of all Ministers will be open to scrutiny by the inquiry and I thoroughly welcome that. I will, if I may, clear a third point and that is that Ministers, in claiming public interest immunity, were doing what they were obliged to do by law. They signed such documents only as advised by counsel and the Attorney-General. It follows that they were not concealing information from the court. On the contrary, they were making available the relevant documents to the court. It was then for the judge to decide which of the documents should be protected by public interest immunity and which should not. I hope that that will clarify matters.

    Mr. John Smith : Instead of answering a clear and direct question, the Prime Minister has issued a prepared statement. I remind him that this question goes right to the heart of the credibility of his Government. I ask him it again. When did he first know that the guidelines on arms- related exports to Iraq were being breached ; what date, please?

    The Prime Minister : It is not clear at all that they were breached. The first allegations that they might have been breached were made by The Sunday Times in late 1990. Following that article, I, together with the Cabinet Secretary, had a meeting with Mr. Alan Clark. At that meeting he told me that it was totally false to suggest that he was advising the companies concerned on how to prepare licence applications in such a way as to conceal military use. Mr. Clark took the same position in the written witness statement which he provided to the court. It was not until his testimony in the case, therefore, that I had any reason to believe that what he had told me and what was in the written witness statement might not correspond with his oral evidence.

    Mr. John Smith : Does the Prime Minister understand that if he thinks that the guidelines were not breached, he must be about the only person in this country who has arrived at that conclusion? Will the Prime Minister tell us whether, when he gave replies, in particular a reply to the right hon. Member for Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale (Sir D. Steel) on the Liberal Benches on a previous occasion about exports to Iran being conducted in the light of the guidelines, that was the whole truth as he knew it at that time?

    The Prime Minister : Every parliamentary answer that I have given or letter that I have dispatched has been based on the position as I understood it to be. I am utterly confident that that will be clear in Lord Justice Scott’s inquiry.

    Mr. Duncan-Smith : Does my right hon. Friend agree with me that it is quite appalling for right hon. and hon. Gentlemen to go on the media and accuse my right hon. Friends of dishonourable conduct before– [Interruption.]

    Madam Speaker : Order. The hon. Gentleman will resume his seat unless he questions correctly. The Prime Minister has responsibility only for Government activities. Will the hon. Gentleman frame his question correctly or not?

    Mr. Duncan-Smith : Yes, indeed, Madam Speaker. Does my right hon. Friend agree with me that all that he has said so far this week indicates that there will be a complete inquiry and that all will be revealed, honourable conduct included?

    The Prime Minister : The House has that complete assurance. Indeed, if I had wished there not to be a complete inquiry and hon. Members to be open to questions, I might have followed the proposal of the right hon. and learned Member for Monklands, East (Mr. Smith) and had an inquiry under the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Act 1921, which would have made the matter sub judice in the House.

    Mr. Ashdown : Is it not the case that the Prime Minister and the Government knew as early as July–that is, six months before the Prime Minister’s letter to me–that the machine tools being exported to Iraq by Matrix Churchill and other companies were beyond peradventure being used to make munitions for the Iraqi army?

    The Prime Minister : I have replied to the right hon. Gentleman’s letter and the many media appearances that he has made. As he will see when he receives my letter, his second letter shows that he has completely misunderstood the position. [Interruption.] The right hon. Gentleman asked a question ; he might have the courtesy to listen to the answer. The right hon. Gentleman referred to my letter of 6 December and wrongly claimed that I misled him by concealing knowledge of the Matrix Churchill case when I explained the Government’s policy on export licences for Iraq. That is not the case. If the right hon. Gentleman reads my letter, he will see that I refer in the second paragraph to an investigation by Her Majesty’s Customs and Excise which was into Matrix Churchill. I made it clear that I could not comment in case I prejudiced any proceedings. That is the rational explanation for which the right hon. Gentleman asked. He failed to understand my correspondence.

    Mr. Anthony Coombs : Is my right hon. Friend aware that the latest figures, for October, for manufactured car exports show an increase of no less than 37 per cent. on last year? Is he also aware that the Textile Alliance anticipates that the exports of the textile industry from the United Kingdom, at £4.8 billion, will be a record for this year? Does he agree that a newly competitive exchange rate will give British exporters the opportunity to improve even on that excellent performance?

    The Prime Minister : Yes. That is certainly the case, and there is no doubt that car production rose very dramatically in September, and the figures for October, which were released today, suggest that production is holding up. I have no doubt that our present competitive exchange rate will improve that position.

     

    Q3. Mr. Cryer : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 12 November.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Cryer : Instead of passing the buck continually to a vague and unsatisfactory inquiry, will the Prime Minister clean out the cesspit of the present Government by sacking all those Ministers who conspired to pervert the course of justice in the Matrix Churchill case in order to cover up a Government policy of encouraging the sale to Iraq of machinery which they knew was to be used for the manufacture of munitions and nuclear weapons? Or would that involve sacking himself?

    The Prime Minister : The hon. Gentleman is one of the foremost conspiracy theorists in the House and an acknowledged expert at muckraking. But not even he can call an independent judicial inquiry anything other than an impartial, clear-cut and independent inquiry. That is what we have ordered and that is what we shall have.

    Mr. Tredinnick : Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is a great scandal that some local authorities are obstructing schools that want to become grant-maintained? Will he join me in welcoming the statement by the Secretary of State for Education that the law will be changed to make that obstruction impossible? Does he agree that most of that obstruction has come from Labour-controlled local authorities?

    The Prime Minister : I think that that is a matter of fact and not conjecture. I very much welcome the action taken by my right hon. Friend in the Education Bill to ensure that parents have a proper choice. It is intolerable that some local education authorities should deliberately scare parents by claiming, entirely falsely, that by voting for grant-maintained status, they will damage their children’s education. It is equally unacceptable that LEAs, as teachers’ employers, should put pressure on staff to resist the ballots of parents.

     

    Q4. Mrs. Mahon : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 12 November.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Lady to the reply that I gave some moments ago.

    Mrs. Mahon : Does the Prime Minister intend to retain the nurses’ pay review body? If so, does he agree that, if that body is to have any relevance to the pay that nurses actually receive, the Government must accept its recommendations and fund them?

    The Prime Minister : The hon. Lady will be able to hear my right hon. Friend’s statement very shortly.

    Mrs. Peacock : Is my right hon. Friend aware that a private sector proposal to work the Markham Main colliery has been with British Coal for almost three weeks without any acknowledgement? Does he agree that that may suggest that British Coal does not want competition?

    The Prime Minister : I shall pass my hon. Friend’s remarks to the President of the Board of Trade. I have no knowledge of that particular proposal, but I have no doubt that it will be brought to British Coal’s notice very speedily.

     

    Q5. Mr. Don Foster : To ask the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 12 November.

    The Prime Minister : I refer the hon. Gentleman to the reply that I gave some moments ago.

    Mr. Foster : Does the Prime Minister agree with those Conservative councillors in Bath who this week supported a motion expressing dismay at the deterioration of the national health service in Bath? Or does he support the comments of the Secretary of State who, on a recent visit, said of the closure of wards at the district hospital, of the loss of beds for the elderly mentally infirm and of the increased waiting lists for elective surgery that she thought they were “mere teething problems”?

    The Prime Minister : I think that the hon. Gentleman is just a little selective. He makes no mention of the fact that health service expenditure is up by more than 50 per cent. in real terms since 1979 or that, for every pound spent in 1979, nearly £4.50 will be spent this year. Neither did he mention the fact that the national health service will spend nearly £2,500 a year for every family of four in this country. No other Government would have provided those resources.

    Mr. Ottaway : Is my right hon. Friend aware that Sunday trading at Tesco superstore in Purley has resulted in an increased turnover, more jobs and a surplus of staff who want to work on a Sunday, and it is very popular with my constituents? Will he introduce legislation that clarifies that area of the law before an unacceptable compromise is introduced to the House in January?

    The Prime Minister : As my hon. Friend knows, we have a manifesto commitment to bring forward proposals for reform once the European Court of Justice has settled the compatibility of the current law with the free trade provisions of the treaty of Rome. We expect that judgment in the Court in November and my right hon. and learned Friend the Home Secretary will then make an announcement to the House about legislation.